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Re: Advantages of unemployment

I did ask myself in which branch I wanted to make an experience and decided to work in the film industry. They don't have money and were ever so happy to have me as a gofer and work on stuff they never had time to finish. Reading scripts was also fun and I even got involved as a script doctor. I was also paid a small amount of money, which made RAV all the happier.

It was actually fun.

RAV was happy that I was occupied and I could do interviews, write my resumes and so on at work.
It was a good thing that I was not "unemployed" when I went to interviews and my interim job made interviewers aware that I was open to new experiences.

This might not be for everybody, but I fondly remember that time as something special. My then employer is still a very good friend.
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Old 22.05.2017, 20:13
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One tip: if the RAV offer to send you on any courses, go. I thought it would be useless and was a bit irritated at first, but not only is it something to do, but you learn a lot about the Swiss job market, have a structured place to work on your application materials, and meet other people in the same situation, which can lead to future networking/friendships.
... and another opportunity to practice speaking German, all day long.

Even if others on the course are foreign-language speakers, there is sure to be someone, perhaps a member of staff, who is either of Swiss German or German mother-tongue. Talk to them.
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Old 22.05.2017, 20:23
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

I've never been unemployed. I don't think I'd be bored, but would instead find plenty of things to do - as a complete workaholic, I really do miss having the free time to pursue other interests (of which I have many). I do admit that there was a time when our company was reorganizing every two seconds, but at a quite generous social plan, and a part of me hoped I would lose my job as it would give me time off for a few months to do other things at full pay Of course it never happened and I'm still happily slaving away

However, I were to become unemployment with no net as outlined above and despite probably not being bored, I do know myself and I would pretty much immediately start worrying about never finding work again (I have a highly specialised profession and jobs are far and few between around here) and, surely, soon enough, financial concerns would set in. Even though I have no dependents, I know myself well and I'm a worrier by nature.

I can absolutely see though how unemployment, especially if prolonged, can lead to serious fears and I don't think for the majority it is a "fun time off" at all. Unless maybe you really earned a s*load of money before, have a few 100k in savings and it really doesn't matter much. But for the very very large majority, this is not the case. If you have a family and are the sole breadwinner and earn an average salary you will reach financial limits fairly quickly, even if unemployment benefits around here are quite generous.

As far as routine is concerned, personally, I don't need one at all. Never have. I'm very self-motivated and disciplined, and if I want to get things done, I'll get them done - but I don't need a specific schedule for that.

Ironically, my life really largely revolves around work, yet I can detach entirely. I went travelling a few years ago for a few months (well sort of, I was at the same spot for a long time, which was also not new to me as I'd been there many times before) and was surprised that one week in, I couldn't have cared less about a routine, a planned day or work for that matter. Funnily, after my return, I was back in the office literally 20 hours after I landed and back in the drill of things within 24 hours. It was quite amazing in a strange way. Granted, that was a different situation and is not comparable to unemployment, also because there were no financial concerns for me at the time. So this is more a comment about needing a routine - not everyone does.
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Old 22.05.2017, 20:30
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I was particularly referring to the time people get up and go to bed. Within the day it is less important. It may seem great in the short term, and is fine if it is a fixed period between contracts or a holiday, for example. The trouble is that it can be the slippery slope to lethargy and despondency. Any advantages of the extra time available are soon lost.
Totally agree, Deep Purple. Over the winter I saw no point in even getting up & dressed most days. OK now as my garden requires attention & I am back up early watering & taking care of my babies. Past the 2 year mark here since I started looking for something & am taking a temporary break on the hunting scene as other things are going on. I am not the sort to sit around twiddling my thumbs - always have something to do, but it's true if you have no reason to get up, it's easy to get lethargic.
I think a lot depends on your prospects. Unfortunately I don't have many if any. I hope DB at least has more lego bricks to work on & hasn't hit "that age". I try to achieve something every day. If you can see it as a respite moment, you will keep the chin up. If it's not, everything sags.
Kind of like the Gotthard tunnel where you're wondering if daylight will appear soon (to keep it Swiss). And on those down days, a loud burst of Gotthard band music will help (though the neighbours may not agree).
Happy hunting, DB.
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Old 22.05.2017, 21:31
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Thank you all so much!

What I'm drawing from this is that:

a) some kind of routine can be very helpful;
b) unemployment is a great opportunity to try out new things;
c) applying for jobs should not be a full time job itself.

I've already started drawing up a "to do" list of uncertified skills I'd like to get certified (B2 German, computer skills and so on), along with a few other objectives. The next question is: will I be able to escape the rest of the family to get on with them?

Thanks again, and I'll let you know if there's any news.
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Old 22.05.2017, 21:59
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

What is your profession now?
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Old 22.05.2017, 22:02
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

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The next question is: will I be able to escape the rest of the family to get on with them?

Thanks again, and I'll let you know if there's any news.

Have a safe zone when you need to apply or focus on work hunting. For example library (=best).
Or a quiet coffee (but then if you intend to use wifi and the likes, avoid doing privacy things, an entire different topic ).

For the rest of information... a few have been given.
I can't type now, so I make it short: cheer up, enjoy the time with less people in shops, etc... and you are in fact in a GREAT position.

Be there, done that. I let you find why on a every day basis.

Enjoy.
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Primary school teacher with English as an additional language specialism.
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Old 22.05.2017, 22:07
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In a Swiss school? Why do you need to do the B1?
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Old 22.05.2017, 22:11
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Please write that book, DB

And in between chapters, go do some supply/cover work and blow their socks off.. show 'em how it's done.

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In a Swiss school? Why do you need to do the B1?
I need B2 to be able to teach English in a local school, as I understand it.

I'd need C2 to be a mainstream teacher! That won't be happening before the RAV runs out!
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Old 22.05.2017, 22:23
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

OK, stupid question, what language? Maybe some here can help you speed that language skills up?
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Old 22.05.2017, 22:27
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I'd need C2 to be a mainstream teacher! That won't be happening before the RAV runs out!
I understood that it's C1 in order to teach, and C2 in order to be able to teach German. Many native German speakers would have trouble with C2.
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

If itīs German, happy to set up Skype sessions with you and help you getting there. I have a MA in German and a teachers license so I might be able to help you a bit?
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OK, stupid question, what language? Maybe some here can help you speed that language skills up?
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If itīs German, happy to set up Skype sessions with you and help you getting there. I have a MA in German and a teachers license so I might be able to help you a bit?
It's German - and I would be very interested in that! Thank you!
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

Really hated the time , being unemployed (4 months here in switzerland).
Doing everyday applications, waiting for phone calls (who did not come).
The worst thing was , getting no money from the RAV (due to an Aufhebungsvertrag) and the RAV/UNIA took every chance to block the money
that i needed to pay my bills.
If you are being laid off(with being paid), it is not easy these days to secure another job .
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

OP as an unemployed person you are an important guest of the state. Enjoy the free cash and relax in the summer sun, you have earned the right

Adrianlondon, fully agree with your points. When I was on my death bed I did not care about the fact that I was unemployed for all my adult life. Now that I am dead it does not matter any more.
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OP as an unemployed person you are an important guest of the state. Enjoy the free cash and relax in the summer sun, you have earned the right

Adrianlondon, fully agree with your points. When I was on my death bed I did not care about the fact that I was unemployed for all my adult life. Now that I am dead it does not matter any more.
The state is all of us, we provide the "free cash"....
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The state is all of us, we provide the "free cash"....
Thanks for the "free cash". Much appreciated Without your help I would never have been able to open cleaning business with my friend.
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The state is all of us, we provide the "free cash"....
Including the OP with his contributions to the system during all the years he was working. I realize you're not the one who initially brought up "free cash", but the OP is not getting anything for free - just a payback for what he contributed to the system, and that he's fully entitled to.
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