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Yes these word sounds very good in the start but after sending 100's of job application, months of German language classes, new professional courses mind stops behaving as it should.

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Yes these word sounds very good in the start but after sending 100's of job application, months of German language classes, new professional courses mind stops behaving as it should.
Is your German good now or you forgot most of it?
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

Yes that's what my wife did otherwise she would not have landed job after 4 years of struggle.

One of my colleague's wife is moving back after 10 years of struggle in Switzerland .

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Re: Advantages of unemployment

I was talking about my spouse in earlier post. My wife now put even more efforts in improving her German skills. She read and speak with colleagues as much as she can.

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Yes that's what my wife did otherwise she would not have landed job even after 4 years of struggle.

One of my colleague's wife is moving back after 10 years of struggle in Switzerland .
Then maybe the opportunity was relying elsewhere for that person!

And I disagree she is not "moving back" she could be moving forward in her country of origin...

Opportunities are not always where you think.
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

Yes again it sounds good in words. Now family will be split. Husband working in Switzerland and wife working in country of origin. What about child?

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Then maybe the opportunity was relying elsewhere for that person!

And I disagree she is not "moving back" she could be moving forward in her country of origin...

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Old 23.05.2017, 11:50
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One thing, put "protection mode" on because you are most likely going to hear a lot of "Why are you not going home?" (if you are unemployed abroad).
That's an interesting point. Not so relevant in DB's case as he's obviously settled here (family and house) but for people like me.

I'm already 6 years overdue, as I planned to come for a year then go back to London, and that was in 2010. Then my plan was to stay another year, then as my job was so cool (for various reasons) to stay until the job ended, and then as now, once discovering what my years of unemployment insurance premiums had funded, to stay until the RAV ends. Or I get another job here and the cycle repeats.
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Old 23.05.2017, 12:08
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

The question implied in the title seems to have been covered pretty well with lots of suggestions for things to do, and what might happen if everything goes pear-shaped. Something else which I don't think has been mentioned much so far - the position of the partner.

One of my daughter's earliest phrases was 'my do it!' The 'high' of succeeding at some task herself was far greater than it would have been, merely 'helping' me to do it.

I know couples, happily married, who, after careful discussion, 'strictly' divided household jobs, official paperwork, being responsible for the children between them. Depending on who worked longer hours 'out of the house' the two lists of jobs were not equally long, but roughly added up to the number of hours 'working for the family'. One partner was officially 'on duty' on that day or that weekend and the other one was 'free'.

When I heard about it I thought it was a dreadful idea. Where's the idea of partnership gone? Consideration? Love? What's wrong with doing the work together? Surely that can be just as successful?

The odd thing was that it seems to function very well. The household jobs get done without one clearing up after the other, both enjoy their free time and the children soon learned that 'it's Daddy's day today' meant that if they wanted something, he's the fellow to ask. And weird, it didn't mean that they didn't do just as many things together as they had done before either.

Obviously, work doesn't have to be divided up quite so rigorously, but maybe both parties enjoy the feeling of jobs well done and free-time well-earned. Most Mums of small children would LOVE just an hour when they were free, free, free... without having a guilty conscience about it. And an unemployed partner who takes over for an hour is worth his unemployment pay in gold!
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Old 23.05.2017, 13:35
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

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Incorrect it's not 'our money', in Switzerland it's an insurance based system, so just a regular insurance claim. Even if you work for 1 hour, 1 day or a week, you have to pay for this insurance even if there is no chance you would be eligible to claim.
I paid over 40,000 in health insurance in Switzerland & never was able to claim 1 CHF back, I don't begrudge paying those premiums, no doubt being older you have had a better deal from Swiss health insurance.
THANK YOU fatmanfilms. I can't hear it anymore, these people who seem to think they got a say in who is entitled to unemployment money and who is not. It is a simple insurance. Those who work pay into it (and their employers). Those who have a car, pay into that insurance. Does anybody complain about "why did he get his accident costs covered?" Nope.

@slammer. You described it well. There are those times. First time I was unemployed I was in sales. I was convinced there was no company left in Switzerland that I had not applied to. The moment I decided to go for a - completely different - three month education a company wanted me in their sales departement. I said no, I want to do the education. They said "we'll wait". And they did!! They kept in touch all through those months, one evening the future boss and the book-keeper had to push-start my car and said "you see, you need to come work for us, your car is crap" roflmao. It was absolutely crazy, if you'd invent it the book wouldn't sell. (Oh and in the end I got a brand new little sports car (in sales?!) with leather seats and they let me use it privately for free to drive to England for Christmas before I actually started the job. As I said, it was crazy. Thanks for making me remember this btw).
The moral of the story? The more open one is to the unexpected, the better the chances.

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Old 23.05.2017, 13:44
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THANK YOU fatmanfilms. I can't hear it anymore, these people who seem to think they got a say in who is entitled to unemployment money and who is not. It is a simple insurance. Those who work pay into it (and their employers). Those who have a car, pay into that insurance. Does anybody complain about "why did he get his accident costs covered?" Nope.

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Perhaps you don't understand how unemployment insurance works in Switzerland?
A person needs to have worked at least 12 months in the last 24 months to get ANY benefit, Max benefits are reached with a minimum of 18 months work in the last 24 months. If you have not paid in you can't claim, it's not social benefits for poor people, paid for out of taxation, unlike health insurance subsidy......
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Perhaps you don't understand how unemployment insurance works in Switzerland?
A person needs to have worked at least 12 months in the last 24 months to get ANY benefit, Max benefits are reached with a minimum of 18 months work in the last 24 months. If you have not paid in you can't claim, it's not social benefits for poor people, paid for out of taxation, unlike health insurance subsidy......
I thanked you for mentioning that in your other post after inappropriate comments of Today Only and others. Why are you going all patronizing on me, explaining something which I obviously know very well, had you read my first post?
Ah well, if it makes you feel good .....
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I thanked you for mentioning that in your other post after inappropriate comments of Today Only and others. Why are you going all patronizing on me, explaining something which I obviously know very well, had you read my first post?
Ah well, if it makes you feel good .....
Sorry I thought I was replying to Longbyt, my mistake.
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I thanked you for mentioning that in your other post after inappropriate comments of Today Only and others. Why are you going all patronizing on me, explaining something which I obviously know very well, had you read my first post?
Ah well, if it makes you feel good .....

Ah.......who pays the insurance premiums ?
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Being fired or unemployed just brings you deppresion... The only good thing out of it is that it also makes you stronger and you should learn from these failures...
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I thanked you for mentioning that in your other post after inappropriate comments of Today Only and others. Why are you going all patronizing on me, explaining something which I obviously know very well, had you read my first post?
Ah well, if it makes you feel good .....
There is nothing more annoying that someone explaining you something that you already know...
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once discovering what my years of unemployment insurance premiums had funded, to stay until the RAV ends. Or I get another job here and the cycle repeats.
The insurance rate is 2.2%. You'd have to contribute for 90 years to "fund" 2 years. But well...
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Re: Advantages of unemployment

As was mentioned, the warm weather is here so you will not be trapped indoors.
Get out and about, visit some of those places that people come to Switzerland to see but those of us who live here never quite get around too - and you can do that in the week when they are quieter!
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The insurance rate is 2.2%. You'd have to contribute for 90 years to "fund" 2 years. But well...
All insurance policies work that way, otherwise they would lose their reason to exist.

But I think I get what you were saying ... you took my comments literally as if I didn't understand what an insurance policy is. I do - I treat the premiums I pay as buying a product. Same as health insurance, which so far has been 7.5 years of contributions and no claims.

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