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Old 27.05.2017, 18:44
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

You are wrong.

Often there is also a Hausordnung (house rules) that for example state the hours you need to be quiet. In ours it clearly says that using a washing machine after 10 pm is not allowed.

And not everything that is not listed is allowed.
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

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You are wrong.

Often there is also a Hausordnung (house rules) that for example state the hours you need to be quiet. In ours it clearly says that using a washing machine after 10 pm is not allowed.

And not everything that is not listed is allowed.
Fair enough, so the use of a washing machine is not allowed at night, because it might be too noisy.
Nevertheless it is not prohibited to use one in the daytime/evening! If it were prohibited it would clearly say so.

Wrong about what?!
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Old 27.05.2017, 18:55
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

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How can they disallow a washing machine?
It is something private that you do in your flat. There should be no issue.
I always had a washing machine in a rented flat and washed a couple of times a weeks when it suited me. It saves the hassle of waiting for your turn (sometimes only once a week/fortnight) on the laundry-room rota! You don't need to do any specific or complicated plumbing to attach a washing machine to a pipe.
We had a small one in the first apartment I lived in. The drain went into the bathtub. My FIL had bought it years before, but it was very hush hush, as the scuttlebutt was that the landlord would never have approved of it.

The neighbours below were aware of it, because they could hear it when it ran (it was a bit of a clunker, even after I put larger isolating feet on it. I also found an unused supply and plumbed it straight in, as I just didn't see the point of having to attach it to the faucet every time you wanted to do a load of laundry.

If you're going to risk getting one and _not_ asking permission:
  1. Speak to the neighbours, if they're the moany type then you might as well fugeddaboudit.
  2. Check that the power outlet you're planning to use will handle the load (GFI might also trip on startup)
  3. Plan your installation so that you don't have fiddly crap to do before/after every load, and also that you don't have pipes and cables to trip over every time you want to brush your teeth.
  4. Rig the output pipe so that whatever happens, you can only get the washing machine to flood the whole bathroom deliberately (Consider children, dopey partners/flatmates, cleaning ladies)
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Old 27.05.2017, 18:56
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

Before we get drawn into the general legalities,

-- where we live, it is a rule that here that we need permission for a plumbed-in washer
-- we've asked for, and received permission
-- we don't need permission for a portable

All that said, when we looked at the cost of plumbing + washing machine + cost of restoring the apartment to its original state when we leave (part of the agreement), we decided that a portable/mini variety would do the job very well.

Having now done some research, after the earlier helpful tips, this one looks like just the thing:

http://www.electronic-star.ch/oneCon...kg_i230727.htm
(or same on Amazon.de)
https://www.amazon.de/oneConcept-Fül...ywords=ecowash
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

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How can they disallow a washing machine?
It is something private that you do in your flat. There should be no issue.
I always had a washing machine in a rented flat and washed a couple of times a weeks when it suited me. It saves the hassle of waiting for your turn (sometimes only once a week/fortnight) on the laundry-room rota! You don't need to do any specific or complicated plumbing to attach a washing machine to a pipe.
Sure, you're correct if it's a portable, but for a machine that would require installation i.e. altering the plumbing and possibly knocking holes in walls and floor etc,. it's probably reasonable to need permission in a rented apartment.
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

The one I recommended dries as well, and runs off a standard power outlet.

Tom
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Old 27.05.2017, 19:35
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

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Maybe have you too long in Switzerland been?

You don't need to ask your landlord to use a portable washing machine, but if you do the answer might well be 'no'.

You dont need to ask permission to use a coffee machine, a tea pot, a steam cleaner, etc. either
Oh yes you do. And he can deny you having one. Either just to be an arse or for good reason as some old houses can not stand all the vibrating from spinning if each flat has one (and if one is allowed to have one, everybody is).

As to the machine any of these stand alone ones will work (I even have a 6 kg one, you get them anywhere, Fust, Mediamarkt .... even Conforama I think LOL) as you just replace/adapt the connecting tubes to your liking/needs.
Mine I had connected as in the picture as I don't want to move it and don't want to bother with connecting it when I use it.
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You can do this yourself or any "Sanitär" will do it for you.
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

I think it has to be specified in the contract or the house rules though, otherwise the landlord is not going to have much of a case. Unless the machine has no silencer and is being run at night, plus there have been complaints from other residents in the building.

We have always had one, first in rental apartments then later and now in owner-occupied flat. We have never had any issues. Others have them in their flats in adjacent buildings, some are owners, some are tenants.

Even tenants (just like owner occupiers in mixed multi-dwelling buildings) are entitled to a private life. Owning and using a washing machine within the flat is a reasonable entitlement.

I run ours quite early in the morning sometimes. I doubt that anyone is in a position to complain though. Probably they can't hear it all that much in any case, if at all. But since they themselves keep two dogs (one large) in the flat, they are hardly likely to go to their landlord. Keeping pets in the flats is prohibited as per the house rules, running a washing machine isn't. Plus we are owner-occupiers, so don't see how a complaint can work in our case.
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Re: Washing machine terminology (unplumbed) - can you help?

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