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Australia 13 28.26%
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Both equally 9 19.57%
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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

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I wouldn't pick Germany. Remember there is that posh restaurant, Wannseeterrassen, in Berlin, the one that bills you 12€ just for water. and that piece of shit of a waiter even gets mad if you don't leave him the "compulsory" 10 % tip?


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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

Australia has a lot of Problems (Drugs, Waste, Electricity,Housing,Immigrants for example), Germany as well (Wages, Housing, Welfare, Immigrants for example), if I had the choice between those two i would choose australia, because most people are awesome, the country is second to none.
But the goverment closed all doors for people over 45 and if you are under , your english must be like that having a degree from the university.
Switzerland is nice , most things work better here then in germany(for example
public transport, taxes, recycling, wages), but these days it is really hard finding new friends or having a meaningful conversation, on the job everything
is about numbers and trust, but there are certain aspects, that are not right.
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Right, so by the same logic, Canada's taxes should be higher still than Germany's, as Canada is even larger than Germany. (9,984,670km^2 vs 357,021km^2). Even if we say that 2/3 of Canada is a vast wasteland that needs no infrastructure, it's still 10x larger than Germany.

Your logic is so flawed that it isn't even wrong.
Canada just has people on the US border, what infrastructure are you talking about?

There is no autobahn, no fast rail...etc.

And what is Canada's population?

Is this a joke? Germany has 80 million people and it's a superpower.
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Australia has a lot of Problems (Drugs, Waste, Electricity,Housing,Immigrants for example), Germany as well (Wages, Housing, Welfare, Immigrants for example), if I had the choice between those two i would choose australia, because most people are awesome, the country is second to none.
But the goverment closed all doors for people over 45 and if you are under , your english must be like that having a degree from the university.
Switzerland is nice , most things work better here then in germany(for example
public transport, taxes, recycling, wages), but these days it is really hard finding new friends or having a meaningful conversation, on the job everything
is about numbers and trust, but there are certain aspects, that are not right.
I just wanted to let you know i really like your posts

You are one of the few rational people i've seen here, you don't live in CH bubble.

So nice to see objective people, thanks blackbird
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Canada just has people on the US border, what infrastructure are you talking about?

There is no autobahn, no fast rail...etc.

And what is Canada's population?

Is this a joke? Germany has 80 million people and it's a superpower.
You didn't care about the relative population difference between Germany and Switzerland when you thought you were making a valid point. Why would it suddenly matter to you now?
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You didn't care about the relative population difference between Germany and Switzerland when you thought you were making a valid point. Why would it suddenly matter to you now?
My points are always valid.

You guys should've understood that i include population on default.

A country of 8 million people, if they tax people heavily what do you think would happen

If a country has lower tax rates it means they have no other choice.

Singapore, Caymans, Switzerland, Bahamas...etc.
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My points are always valid.

You guys should've understood that i include population on default.

A country of 8 million people, if they tax people heavily what do you think would happen

If a country has lower tax rates it means they have no other choice.

Singapore, Caymans, Switzerland, Bahamas...etc.
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Unfortunately taxes are higher in Germany.

This is a fact, cause Germany is a huge country so they need money to maintain infrastructure and welfare.

CH is very small so they don't need that much taxpayer's money.

But it's OK Germany is still better

Even I wanted to start a company i would still start in Germany
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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

I find myself pondering this question quite a lot...
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I find myself pondering this question quite a lot...
BTW I believe it is much easier to become an Aussie if you're into citizenship
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I wouldn't pick Germany. Remember there is that posh restaurant, Wannseeterrassen, in Berlin, the one that bills you 12€ just for water. and that piece of shit of a waiter even gets mad if you don't leave him the "compulsory" 10 % tip?
As I already said that restaurant was the exeption, not the rule. I was never asked for "compulsory" tip in Germany, apart from Wannseeterrassen. I also said that in any restaurant in Zurich the experience would be even worse.
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Switzerland is nice , most things work better here then in germany(for example
public transport, taxes, recycling, wages), but these days it is really hard finding new friends or having a meaningful conversation, .
Finding friends is the last of your problems in Switzerland. The bigger problems are how to get basic human right, like water and wine in a restaurant, drinks in a club, parking, housing, cinema.
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The bigger problems are how to get basic human right, like water and wine in a restaurant, drinks in a club, parking, housing, cinema.
That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. But then, coming from you I am not surprised.

Can someone please ban the trolls?
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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

Both countries are great in many ways, so as always, it's a matter of deciding priorities.

We were listing all the places we've lived the other day, and talking about the pros and cons. In the end, we concluded that nowhere had everything. Every place had unique things that we now miss, and many negatives that we don't miss at all. Often, it's not so much the pluses and minuses, as how you feel about your life/job/relationships etc at the time. We couldn't fully separate these things from the locations.

All I can suggest is that you get a big piece of paper and a pen, and a bottle of wine, and an hour or two, and make a list of all the pros and cons.
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That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. But then, coming from you I am not surprised.

Can someone please ban the trolls?
Just put both of the tools on ignore.

All we need to do then is to stop people from quoting them.
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Finding friends is the last of your problems in Switzerland. The bigger problems are how to get basic human right, like water and wine in a restaurant, drinks in a club, parking, housing, cinema.
In Australia, the problem is how to get basic human rights like finding place for a shrimp on your neighbours' barbie, and finding a bush unoccupied by some sort of venomous creature.

Does this make sense to you aresid/Thomaz? Because your logic is of a consistent degree of quality to mine.
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In Australia, the problem is how to get basic human rights like finding place for a shrimp on your neighbours' barbie, and finding a bush unoccupied by some sort of venomous creature.

Does this make sense to you aresid/Thomaz? Because your logic is of a consistent degree of quality to mine.
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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

Okay, now that I've contributed to the relative stupidity. A couple more on topic points, while I have them on my mind of why *we* ended up choosing CH to AU.

1. Cost of Living.
People complain about CH being expensive but in absolute terms I found Australia far more expensive. As a couple of examples, we lived about 45 minutes commute from Sydney and our house was over the 1.5M AUD range. We would spend upwards of $100 a week on public transport. We spent about AUD1600 a year on insurance, but that insurance covered next to nothing. Our weekly shop cost us more there than it does here.

Add this to the fact that both my husband and I were losing 47% of our incomes prior to seeing it hit our bank account, in very real terms we were worse off financially than we were ever here. Its was something which completely surprised both of us, and since we've been back we've been further surprised by how often we go 'is it just us, or has CH become cheaper?!?!"

Either that, or we've gotten used to paying much much more for lots of basics.

2. The commute
Australia isn't set up for public transport commutes most places so its normal that you'll have two car families (our little family of one child and two parents had two cars!). All this contributes to the constant gridlock traffic. Our child would be dropped off to daycare 8Ks away (near my husband's work). It would take him 45 minutes to drop her and another 15 minutes to turn around and get to work.

Public transport is also really astonishingly expensive, particularly given how unreliable it is. CH isn't cheap either when it comes to this, but here it seems a fairly normal 'perk' to have a GA pass included in your package. My partner's covers him and me, 2nd class and under 6 child goes free.

I think its lovely to think of life in a little Australian town somewhere in QLD, but most likely people will be moving into one of the cities and those are infuriating for the commute.

3. Health
When I moved to Australia I was 8.5kgs lighter than when I moved back 2 years later. Add to that that we had a 4 month old child and I was still carrying pregnancy weight. People assume good weather = much fitter, but there is a reason why Australia is high on the obesity index.

The lack of proper public transport infrastructure means people do drive everywhere, the lifestyle is increasingly sedentary and there is loads of delicious food with large portions everywhere. So you eat and don't move a lot unless you make a conscious effort to be a gymbody.

Since I've moved back I've dropped about half the weight I put on, simply by walking about 12K steps more a day. I'm diabetic, and this was a major point for consideration for us.

4. Careers
My husband hated working in AU. I had a great job but I didn't like the workstyle all that much either. If you're a professional and love working, AU is a hard place because all that laid back Aussie style results in two things. People who take it far too easy stay in execution roles and people who are micromanaging asshats crawl their way up the management chain. As managers ourselves we had the worst of both worlds, teams which were underproductive and thought it wasn't their problem and micromanaging tweps sitting above us nagging 24/7.

My husband made the comment that the whole aussie easy going lifestyle is purchased by 20% of the team killing themselves so the other 80% can take it easy. It wasn't fun. We didn't like it.

5. Politics.
I'm a first gen immigrant into Australia (parents are indian and we moved when I was 10). I remember thinking of it as this absolute haven, where you could do anything, be anything. The fact is the Australia I came into as a child and the Australia of now are two very different places, and not for the better. Australia today is far more conservative, far more opposed to difference and far more intolerant than it was in the past.

We are seriously seeing the renaissance of the One Nation party and of the likes of Barnaby Joyce being our Deputy PM. We're seeing detention centers. A colleague of mine is a headscarf wearing muslim and she was abused on public transport and came to work in absolute tears.

I will not for a second claim CH is superior, but for me, it was heartbreaking seeing the things I really love about my country having deteriorated so much.

So I've focussed on the bad things in AU. The good things:
- Family and Friends. How easy it is to make more friends.
- The pace of life outside work and the commute. Weekends and Holiday time.
- Coffee. Oh the coffee. Why hasn't CH discovered coffee yet?
- The food scene. Amazing, even as it makes one fatter.
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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

My specialist subject!

I'm British, grew up in Switzerland, have a house there still and in 2012 chose to move from Britain not to Switzerland, but Australia.

Depends what your mission is, of course. You'll never feel part of Switzerland (if that's important to you) and more especially neither will your kids. I love the Australian laid backness and attitude. It lacks the Alps, of course, but has other natural compensations. This is a land of openness and opportunity and has much for me in terms of employment opportunities (doctor) than Switzerland ever could.

In the end, we realised we loved the Swiss Alps, Switzerland less so.
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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

Australia is in many aspects too different from Switzerland, so you really can't compare well... But the US has some regions with a similar landscape.
If you are not really wealthy, then the US offers more quality of living, especially when you compare housing, as an example for about 660K you get this in the US:


https://www.google.ch/search?q=14+Pu...=1497258363144


whereas in Switzerland you get this:


https://www.homegate.ch/kaufen/106426085?42


... quite depressing- isn't it ?
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Re: Australia or Switzerland a better place to live?

If you love to play and follow Cricket, then Australia.
for everything else, Switzerland!
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