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where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

Now that they've set up recycling points for organic waste in Geneva, I've spent some time looking online at the Canton's website for this information but I can't find it.

Can I buy them at COOP/etc? My experience in Australia is that those available in supermarkets aren't sufficient and local councils sell the ones that they want you to use. So, I wondered....
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Old 04.07.2017, 21:52
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Re: where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

If it's like our place you take your organic waste/grass cuttings, etc, in a container or bag, throw the waste/cuttings out of said container/bag and then take container/bag back home to reuse. It's called recycling.
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If it's like our place you take your organic waste/grass cuttings, etc, in a container or bag, throw the waste/cuttings out of said container/bag and then take container/bag back home to reuse. It's called recycling.
Oh, I like that idea! Well, I guess we can try it and see if it works.

I confess, I'm finding my kitchen is starting to look like a rubbish tip and there's nothing I can do about it. We now have 4 types of rubbish storage going...
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Re: where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

They have them in Migros and Coop. Thats where i get mine from
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Re: where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

For kitchen food waste you should be using the small, recyclable white bags available to buy in most supermarkets; be warned though, they start to dissolve pretty quickly once wet!
For larger stuff (grass cuttings, garden waste), the larger supermarkets and DIY stores sell green coloured bags alongside the normal black ones. These are not recyclable in themselves, you should empty the contents into the larger bins at the recycling centre (la Praille in Carouge for example) and either re-use them if possible, or throw them in with the general rubbish.
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For kitchen food waste you should be using the small, recyclable white bags available to buy in most supermarkets; be warned though, they start to dissolve pretty quickly once wet!
We are just in an apartment so we only have a food waste issue. So, you think we should be using bags and not just emptying the waste into the depot point's bin from a container we retain?

Also, I'm confused as to what we should do with plastic milk containers. All supermarkets have a bin for them, but the canton doesn't?
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We are just in an apartment so we only have a food waste issue. So, you think we should be using bags and not just emptying the waste into the depot point's bin from a container we retain?

Also, I'm confused as to what we should do with plastic milk containers. All supermarkets have a bin for them, but the canton doesn't?
If you want to use a container in the kitchen and simply empty that into the larger public bin that's fine. The new white bags are pretty useless anyway. When the scheme was first introduced they weren't recylable and the bags had to be ripped open at the depot before the stuff went into the composting bins. They were replaced by recyclable bags made of corn-starch (I think), but they melt!

The plastic milk bottles should be taken back to the supermarket if possible, they all have specific containers outside for them. TBH I'm not sure if they can also go into one of the canton's recycling containers as it's been a while since I used one but would be surprised if there wasn't a container provided. Otherwise, try to remember to take them back whenever you go shopping!
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The plastic milk bottles should be taken back to the supermarket if possible, they all have specific containers outside for them. TBH I'm not sure if they can also go into one of the canton's recycling containers as it's been a while since I used one but would be surprised if there wasn't a container provided. Otherwise, try to remember to take them back whenever you go shopping!
Thanks, I've checked a few online documents, but they seem to be some years old, so I was wondering too if things have changed. Reading recently that Migros has apparently been burning all the plastic bottles they are given by people for recycling made me wonder too if there was a better alternative!
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Re: where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

Burning excess recyclable waste has been a bit of a problem in the past but I understand they're doing it less than they used to.
If it's any consolation the heat generated is used to provide power rather than just lost into the atmosphere.
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Re: where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

We have two small kitchen compost bins (bought in Landi), they don't take any space at all. Outside for the different flats we have a green bin for all green waste and compost, collected once a week.


This is working great for us, but it might be different from one commune to the next.
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They have them in Migros and Coop. Thats where i get mine from
We get these from Migros, I think they come in 2 or 3 sizes..
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Re: where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

Can we throw these bags along with the rubbish / compostable stuff in them, into the green containers?

I read somewhere that we cannot throw any bags into the green bins and now I am confused.

Thanks for any pointers!

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Can we throw these bags along with the rubbish / compostable stuff in them, into the green containers?
I read somewhere that we cannot throw any bags into the green bins and now I am confused.
It depends on your location. Different places have different rules on this.
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Can we throw these bags along with the rubbish / compostable stuff in them, into the green containers?

I read somewhere that we cannot throw any bags into the green bins and now I am confused.

Thanks for any pointers!

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You have to make sure you have compostable bags - as opposed to 'biodegradable' - but you can get them at supermarkets. It will say compostable on them. I haven't seen anything that says you shouldn't be using them....but I'm only hoping I'm doing the right thing.

I am not sure why you write 'rubbish/green stuff'. You should use compostable bags only for things that go in the organic bins!
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You have to make sure you have compostable bags - as opposed to 'biodegradable' - but you can get them at supermarkets. It will say compostable on them. I haven't seen anything that says you shouldn't be using them....but I'm only hoping I'm doing the right thing.
Some places don't have green bins or special containers for organic waste, but they do have a collection. And in those places the authorities may specify which bags are allowed. We use paper ones for example. The local regulation stipulates that the other sort (like the thin green ones) are not allowed. Having said that I have seen people using them and they seem to be collected, so perhaps the regulation is not strictly adhered to.
Here if you don't want to buy the paper bags, you provide your own bin or container (without a lid) and that will be emptied. You then take it back in and (I would hope) wash it ready for another week's use.
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Can we throw these bags along with the rubbish / compostable stuff in them, into the green containers?

I read somewhere that we cannot throw any bags into the green bins and now I am confused.

Thanks for any pointers!

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If you use the bags shown (or others marked as 100% compostable) then you can throw them into the green bins.
Personally I think they're useless as they start to melt as soon as they're damp, and simply put vegetable waste into the small green bin outside until it needs emptying. If you don't have small green bin you can buy one in any supermarket.
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Some places don't have green bins or special containers for organic waste, but they do have a collection. And in those places the authorities may specify which bags are allowed. We use paper ones for example. The local regulation stipulates that the other sort (like the thin green ones) are not allowed. Having said that I have seen people using them and they seem to be collected, so perhaps the regulation is not strictly adhered to.
Here if you don't want to buy the paper bags, you provide your own bin or container (without a lid) and that will be emptied. You then take it back in and (I would hope) wash it ready for another week's use.
Yes, I was only thinking of Geneva where it is all pretty new anyway, the organic recycling. And I also get confused with other places I stay in for periods. It would be great if it were all more standardised!
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If you use the bags shown (or others marked as 100% compostable) then you can throw them into the green bins.
Personally I think they're useless as they start to melt as soon as they're damp,
I didn't know about these until I moved somewhere with an organic waste collection and an elderly neighbour showed me them, but pointed out that the Migros ones ripped easily. Typical Swiss quality.
From that moment I bought them for her and myself in DM in Germany. Stronger and naturally at about a third of the price of the Migros ones.
I never had any issue with them 'melting' and since we've moved we now use paper ones and put them out once a week in summer, once a fortnight in winter.
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Re: where to obtain biodegradable bags for recyling organic waste in Geneva

https://produkte.migros.ch/rotho-kom...l-631316300000

These are forbidden in Zurich in Kompost
Plastic, plastic bag made of recycled plastic, treated and untreated old wood, ash and cigarette butt, expanded clay, flowerpot and floral foam, boxwood (from the Buchbaumzünsler afflicted), Christmas tree, disposable tableware from corn starch, dog excrement, sanitary products (sanitary napkin, tampon, diaper, bandages), cat sand ( biodegradable), compostable clothing, medicine, shell, neophytes, vacuum cleaner bags, stones (gravel, sand), tea and coffee in capsule or bag, packaging material, recyclables (glass, metal, paper, cardboard, PET beverage bottle), Sack and garbage bag, any non-organic or non-biological waste

* Dispose of Christmas tree with house sweep. A Christmas tree is usually chemically treated and carries candles or tinsel. These do not decompose in the fermentation process and get into the environment through compost utilization in agriculture
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plastic bag made of recycled plastic
The bags we are referring to though are the ones that can be composted. I think it is unclear in places which simply say that recycled plastic bags are not allowed if they are not specifying exactly which type. These ones will 'rot down' much more quickly and for this reason in many places are allowed.
Just saying recycled plastic could mean simply the ones from the supermarket checkout. The Zurich statement for me is unclear.
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