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Where we live there's a rule of one house per block of land but already city densification means they are starting to look the other way + try it on with plans that correspond to more people than is legally allowed, heights of buildings etc.
I wish you luck.
Construction, both residential and commercial, has been and always will be guided/ruled by the coefficient of your land and its zoning rights. These may change over time, land that was once solely in a residential zoning area may have become residential/commercial, this usually as a result of urban sprawl due to growing population.


If your land allows you 1 house within the coefficient rules, trust me when I tell you that your neighbour with twice the size of land will have a larger coefficient thereby allowing more than the 1 house.


As for a developer in Switzerland who relies on custom within their region, there is no way they would ever draw-up plans for a construction that does not fall within the present coefficient or zoning rights of any particular plot, their reputation is worth far more than this stupid chancer's luck.

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Old 21.07.2017, 12:31
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Do they have building permission granted to them by the town yet? I ask because of the poles outlining the building.
No. That is exactly why the poles are erected. That people get aware of a building proposal and also how it will affect them.

If the building is within code and zoning regulations you do not have much leverage to object. AFAIK that is an eyesore and not aesthetic is no longer ground for objection.

An other option for the landowner is to tear down the old house and build something even uglier there.
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Re: Objecting to planning permission

I can understand your frustration and you wanting to object. The objection needs to be addressed to the commune where construction will occur. The address will be on the planning application itself, which these days are often available on the web.
When you make your objections, make sure the objections are objective and not subjective. As others have said "blocking the view" will not go anywhere, unless you've got something in writing, preferably in the land-registry, guaranteeing you a view.
Your best approach is to go through the paperwork, tedious as it may be. Read through the planning regulations, building regulations and check the plans that have been submitted comply. Those frankly are the only reasons that are going to get the plans turned down (and you'd be surprised how many architects haven't done their homework).
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As for a developer in Switzerland who relies on custom within their region, there is no way they would ever draw-up plans for a construction that does not fall within the present coefficient or zoning rights of any particular plot, their reputation is worth far more than this stupid chancer's luck.
I beg to differ but this is EF so we're all used to that. In our area there have been various projects which have contravened the coefficient (of how many people you can pack in per square meter) & are currently blocked for that reason. They have tried to sneak projects in & hope no one has read or understands the blah blah (& built on flood risk areas). They'll try to put more people in the same space, updating projects & thai barter until it passes. Declassification of rural zones, building more levels upwards to try to pack more people in, extra height more than the other buildings in the area... Geneva is a hive of architectural roulette.
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Old 21.07.2017, 18:02
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As for a developer in Switzerland who relies on custom within their region, there is no way they would ever draw-up plans for a construction that does not fall within the present coefficient or zoning rights of any particular plot, their reputation is worth far more than this stupid chancer's luck.
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I beg to differ but this is EF so we're all used to that. In our area there have been various projects which have contravened the coefficient (of how many people you can pack in per square meter) & are currently blocked for that reason.
Correct. If it passes and nobody objects you can only gain something. If it gets rejected you simply adapt the project. The risks for trying to be sneaky is low, and the consequences barely non existing. The only bad guy would be the building/plot owner. The planner can say he just did what he was requested to do. And who doesn't want a planer which tries to get the maximum plus a bit more?
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Old 21.07.2017, 20:28
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Re: Objecting to planning permission

A neighbour of ours objected to the construction of apartments in the land bordering his. They are bloody ugly boxes in a beautiful country setting.

He was able to negotiate a reduced construction height.

And, they erected a new fence along his property boundary to his (expensive) specification as well as offering him a meaningful cash payment.

This was a definite win for the constructor, who were able to move much more quickly than if they'd had to deal with long objections.
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Re: Objecting to planning permission

These are the kind of modern houses Swiss are very fond of. In my neighbourhood they even tear down beautiful old houses to put concrete blocks. They appear everywhere, in gardens, in beautiful neighbourhoods, blocking views, with giant windows to miss nothing of the views themselves.
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Old 22.07.2017, 12:00
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Take this example for consideration. Even though the window for placing opposition may be small, once recorded you have them by the short and curlies.

A family member knocked down their old late 19th century villa to construct an apartment block. When the public enquiry was opened, 2 property owners (1 at the end of the chemin and the other on the next street, but whose gardens met) opposed the development. This dragged on for almost 2 years, as long as there is opposition nothing can be built.

At the end the problem was solved by asking them both what would make them remove their opposition? 1 owner requested a financial incentive (I believe it was Sfr 100'000.- ), and the other demanded to own one of the visitor parking spaces outside the planned building, both were granted.

So you see, it may be possible to get something out of placing opposition, or you could just let it drag forever...
That's also known as blackmail, a practice that is illegal in Switzerland, so i somehow doubt your story.

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Re: Objecting to planning permission

If someone obstructs your view or puts an eyesore in your neighbourhood or some such, it will negatively affect the resale value of your own property. If you want that compensated in any shape or form, I wouldn't call it blackmail, as long as it is reasonable (plus a bonus for the hassle, maybe).
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Old 22.07.2017, 14:41
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Re: Objecting to planning permission

Relevant, maybe.

Another neighbour is feeling some pressure to push through his plans more quickly than he wished.

He understands that changes to construction rules governing noise mean that in some situations, where house construction consent was previously given (In his case, his mother's home, built in the 50's), that consent would not be given today, significantly reducing the value per sq m..

His mother's house has the luxury of being close to the church and under the flight path.
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That's also known as blackmail, a practice that is illegal in Switzerland, so i somehow doubt your story.
I believe the story. Officially coming to a compromise. Happens with farmers when they have to negotiate land with the commune & compensation (in the situation of improving flood protection, for example).
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That's also known as blackmail, a practice that is illegal in Switzerland, so i somehow doubt your story.
While blackmail is illegal, plain old you-scratch-my-back-I-scratch-yours, which is what Rachel's story illustrates, appears to be quite normal around here.

Stories of horse trading around permit applications in my village abound. In a neighborhood where loss of a lake view means at least a mid six figure loss to one's property value, you can bet that objections will be lodged and drawn out, adding significant expense to a project. If the stories in my village are true, and I have no reason to think otherwise given the sources, it is not uncommon that property owners know the monetary value of their non-objection and expect compensation in some form or another.
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Old 22.07.2017, 17:09
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That's also known as blackmail, a practice that is illegal in Switzerland, so i somehow doubt your story.
Please, whether you agree with what did happen or not, do not doubt what I m telling you. Why in god's name would I make such a statement up?? If you must know, the situation happened to a family member in Nyon. Right or wrong the city obviously accepted their reason for opposing it as legit, and so the developer was left with no choice but to negotiate with them.


Somebody else here has posted a similar event, just accept that these things do happen.
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That's also known as blackmail, a practice that is illegal in Switzerland, so i somehow doubt your story.
Trying to understand your logic here. Practice is illegal. Illegal things never happen. Therefore the story is untrue? Spot the flaw in the logic.
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That's also known as blackmail, a practice that is illegal in Switzerland, so i somehow doubt your story.
This depends on how it's approached.

E.g. objecting neighbor says the new building will <insert negative effect(s) on his own estate> thus it will reduce his property's value by xxx CHF. Unfortunately his quality of living will also be impaired by some "ideell" (non-material?) effect. Upon request he replies that maybe if compensated for the impairment he may be able to withdraw the objection.

Something like that is completely legal.
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This depends on how it's approached.

E.g. objecting neighbor says the new building will <insert negative effect(s) on his own estate> thus it will reduce his property's value by xxx CHF. Unfortunately his quality of living will also be impaired by some "ideell" (non-material?) effect. Upon request he replies that maybe if compensated for the impairment he may be able to withdraw the objection.

Something like that is completely legal.
You have a far more eloquent way of saying it than i did !
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You have a far more eloquent way of saying it than i did !
Except you didn't.
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Except you didn't.
I haven't your gift of the gab...
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It depends on if they can use all their building rights with 1 story, this may not be an option.

Someone just built in front of part of my sea view, so I am building an extra floor, plans finished yesterday
Been wondering about that, say if you own the top story flat, anybody could come and buy the roof and build. So you bought the roof to build a new story, do you own the roof of that or do you have to buy that too?
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Been wondering about that, say if you own the top story flat, anybody could come and buy the roof and build. So you bought the roof to build a new story, do you own the roof of that or do you have to buy that too?
Normally, the roof is owned communally by everyone in the building.

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