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Orac 27.07.2017 22:27

Someone stealing my parking place
 
I don't have a car and someone is using my internal parking spot. How can I find out the name and address of the plate owner?

Once I find out who it is, how do I legally stop them using it? (I'm not the tyre slasher type :-)

Thanks in advance

Troublawesome 27.07.2017 22:35

Re: Someone stealing my parking place
 
Typical common sense, first leave a note that it's illegal and you'll call the police next time.

if he repeats, act on it.

Guest 27.07.2017 22:37

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Would you like the spot empty for when you have visitors, or rent it out to the person using it?

Initially, I'd leave a polite note on the windscreen asking him/her to contact you to discuss rental cost. Then if s/he continues to use it without permission or rent- I'd talk to the landlord agent first- with the number. Happy to help with the French if required.

We allow residents at our UK flat to use our space for free- as long as they leave it free when we come or any of our visitors - seems petty to refuse when we are not using it.

Then if that does not work- you can find out the name and address from a public register- or ask at your local police.

aSwissInTheUS 27.07.2017 22:42

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Originally Posted by Orac (Post 2823581)
how do I legally stop them using it?

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Orac 27.07.2017 22:47

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Thanks for the quick replies.

It's just a bit cheeky to use it without asking. People have asked me before and in some cases I did not accept any payment for it, in other cases I did because they really would not allow me to not accept payment. I just don't like being taken for a fool.

I pay CHF 150 a month for it, and of course I should sub-let it. But to do that I need written permission from the agent in Vaud. And of course it creates complications.

I'll leave a note asking the owner to contact me before using the space again. If they don't then I'll look up the plate, or buy a Cargo Bike.

st2lemans 27.07.2017 23:03

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Just leave a lot of junk in your spot.

Tom

Treverus 27.07.2017 23:03

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Quote:

Would you like the spot empty for when you have visitors, or rent it out to the person using it?
Does it matter? If the OP pays the rent, he decides who parks there.

Steps:
1. Note.
2. If the guy continues to park there, tell the landlord. (I'd not do the police thing as you said it's the internal car park, so not some random person, but a neighbour.)

Is it always the same car? What canton is it registered in? (Some have online DBs and we can immediately tell you who it is ;-) )

Urs Max 27.07.2017 23:19

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Originally Posted by Orac (Post 2823589)
If they don't then I'll look up the plate, or buy a Cargo Bike.

If the number is blocked for online queries, call the police and request the info, in all likelihood they'll give you the information after you've described the issue.

Just know that the police probably can't do anything, it's the landlord who has to make sure your slot is available as contractually agreed.

Guest 27.07.2017 23:21

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2823594)
Does it matter? If the OP pays the rent, he decides who parks there.

Steps:
1. Note.
2. If the guy continues to park there, tell the landlord. (I'd not do the police thing as you said it's the internal car park, so not some random person, but a neighbour.)

Is it always the same car? What canton is it registered in? (Some have online DBs and we can immediately tell you who it is ;-) )

It matters in as much it will make a difference to how to proceed.

Rachel Moore 27.07.2017 23:53

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We allow residents at our UK flat to use our space for free- as long as they leave it free when we come or any of our visitors - seems petty to refuse when we are not using it.
For me it's simple. If OP is paying CHF 150 p/m then why should some pompous git think they have the right to constantly use it for free, without even the common decency to ask permission and at someone else's expense?

catandmouse 28.07.2017 07:51

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I doubt the police will get involved. It's a civil case because it's on private property.
Would support the ramping up approach - start off with a note asking the driver to contact you and then ramp it up from there.

Enohzee 28.07.2017 10:36

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I would just leave a note as others have said.


It's not very complicated to sub-let a space from what I've heard from friends... may be the best option, no? An extra 150 a month is better than a kick in the teeth :)

jen001 02.05.2021 14:19

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Can anyone tell me whether the landlord is required to put up a sign with my license plate number on my space? Or to guarantee that my space is available for me to park in?

I rent a space that is off the street and it is marked to show that is belongs to the building (i.e. „Gemeinde“) but not specifically with my number. This means that visitors cannot know that it is not available to them. A temporary paper plastic-covered Print-out was put up as a short term solution, and has lasted through the Winter but today it was removed ...presumably by the man who parked in my space? Or possibly the Gemeinde themselves? I think they have switched it out from the Artzpraxis that used to rent it before me and had „Artzpraxis“ on it.

I am not permitted to park in any available space, only the one allotted to me. I absolutely certain of this because I had requested the „Gemeinde“ Space next to it and was refused on the basis that it was not available as it was being used by the „Gemeinde“.

Sinking 02.05.2021 15:23

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Note asking if he/she is interested in subletting your parking spot.

If you are not planning on owning a car and/or you don't need your parking spot, can you cancel it from your contract (for the next available date, of course).

hoover1 02.05.2021 18:40

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https://www.nbi-ngf.ch/en/nvb/auskun...eichenanfragen

curley 02.05.2021 19:11

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Originally Posted by Sinking (Post 3301799)
Note asking if he/she is interested in subletting your parking spot.

If you are not planning on owning a car and/or you don't need your parking spot, can you cancel it from your contract (for the next available date, of course).

You replied to a post of July 2017, mate.

@jen001. My neighbours have the same problem. First the landlord refused to mark the space (but happily collects money for it monthly), the next one who took over insisted, so the landlord put a "Reserviert" plate there, so the people now arrive from all over Europe, thinking that space was reserved just for them. :msnsarcastic:
I'm not sure whether you have the right to demand but as it is the "Gemeinde" you got a good chance to discuss this reasonably. Explain the problem. If they refuse have one done yourself and put it up. You can take it with you when you move and you take your number-plate with you from car to car as well, so it's not a crazy investment.

jen001 02.05.2021 21:20

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@Curley
Thanks. I was thinking that too - signs are not that expensive.
It’s more that without a definite sign that the space is reserved for me they are effectively taking my money and using the space themselves anyway. I am wondering what their actual legal obligation is.

I should point out that it is more of a Gemeinde[I] than [I]the[I] Gemeinde but I have a contract with my number plate and the number of the space linked to it, and a standing order paying the rent on it every month.

curley 03.05.2021 01:44

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Originally Posted by jen001 (Post 3301923)
@Curley
Thanks. I was thinking that too - signs are not that expensive.
It’s more that without a definite sign that the space is reserved for me they are effectively taking my money and using the space themselves anyway. I am wondering what their actual legal obligation is.

I should point out that it is more of a Gemeinde[I] than [I]the[I] Gemeinde but I have a contract with my number plate and the number of the space linked to it, and a standing order paying the rent on it every month.

A Gemeinde, not the Gemeinde? LOL. What would that be, the Kirchengemeinde?
However, once rented out, it's not really their problem anymore - legally - I would say. Even if they would put the sign up it would be up to you to take the necessary steps against anyone ignoring it.
Our landlord definitely has a "I don't give a f**" attitude about it, seeing it happen every day and even enjoying a chat and a laugh with people who park on the one spot they are not supposed to.

An easy yet not too cheap solution is to install a pole but to do that, you need the okay of the landlord and strangely enough they don't seem to like giving that.

Chuff 03.05.2021 06:17

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Originally Posted by jen001 (Post 3301923)
@Curley
Thanks. I was thinking that too - signs are not that expensive.
It’s more that without a definite sign that the space is reserved for me they are effectively taking my money and using the space themselves anyway. I am wondering what their actual legal obligation is.

I should point out that it is more of a Gemeinde[I] than [I]the[I] Gemeinde but I have a contract with my number plate and the number of the space linked to it, and a standing order paying the rent on it every month.

I guess you could put a traffic cone in the space and another sign on the wall or just keep leaving a note on the car or reporting it (take photos of the car and registration plate).

NotAllThere 03.05.2021 07:25

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Originally Posted by jen001 (Post 3301784)
Can anyone tell me whether the landlord is required to put up a sign with my license plate number on my space? Or to guarantee that my space is available for me to park in?

No. But there's nothing to stop you nipping down to Jumbo or the like and buying a "private" sign and affixing it in some way to the space - so long as you make good when you leave.

(You'd probably get away with putting a moveable pole in place without landlord's permission if you make good afterwards).

So, what is this "gemeinde"?

hoover1 03.05.2021 08:16

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You can call up landlord each time someone is parking on your spot - and they will do their job after second call you make - simply putting parking fine for the car - for parking on private property without permission ( you are not entitled to do that ).

more than 20-years ago I had also similar but bit different situation - turned out it was someone that rented space and spot number was given to him was nr.6 while my one was nr.9 and simple mistake happens - quick chat with car owner and checking papers revealed the issue and earned me a bottle of red wine.

cheers
h

curley 03.05.2021 08:47

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Originally Posted by hoover1 (Post 3302007)
You can call up landlord each time someone is parking on your spot - and they will do their job after second call you make - simply putting parking fine for the car - for parking on private property without permission ( you are not entitled to do that ).

more than 20-years ago I had also similar but bit different situation - turned out it was someone that rented space and spot number was given to him was nr.6 while my one was nr.9 and simple mistake happens - quick chat with car owner and checking papers revealed the issue and earned me a bottle of red wine.

cheers
h

Neither are they without "richterlicher Beschluss" sign.

LakeSwimmer 03.05.2021 09:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Orac (Post 2823581)
I don't have a car and someone is using my internal parking spot. How can I find out the name and address of the plate owner?

Once I find out who it is, how do I legally stop them using it? (I'm not the tyre slasher type :-)

Thanks in advance

I had a similar situation and simply stopped paying for it. As it was tied into appartment contract I had some email tennis with agents, but as different people were using 2/3 times a week I just took photo each time and stopped paying.

hoover1 03.05.2021 13:01

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Originally Posted by LakeSwimmer (Post 3302025)
I had a similar situation and simply stopped paying for it. As it was tied into appartment contract I had some email tennis with agents, but as different people were using 2/3 times a week I just took photo each time and stopped paying.

That would normally get you nowhere except Betreibungsbüro as company renting spot to you couldn't care less who is parking there if you permitted it and payment isn't related even to use of space (see OP has no car even!) but to agreement you have and until mentioned there that you can stop paying when someone is using the spot - you simply breaking the contract.

newtoswitz 03.05.2021 13:22

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Originally Posted by hoover1 (Post 3302102)
That would normally get you nowhere except Betreibungsbüro as company renting spot to you couldn't care less who is parking there if you permitted it and payment isn't related even to use of space (see OP has no car even!) but to agreement you have and until mentioned there that you can stop paying when someone is using the spot - you simply breaking the contract.

If you want to do this you should pay the relevant amount into an escrow account and inform them of this, in writing, with a very clear statement of your expectations and rights per the contract.

They do have a responsibility to sort out the problem - they are leasing a parking spot, so if that spot is not available and they haven't done what they legally need to do to make it available then they are not providing the service per the contract.

Tarci 03.05.2021 13:49

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We had the same problem, we left a polite note first. Did not work. We wrote to the Verwaltung and that did the job.
We had the same problem with some scooters. They were parked all over the place!
So the Verwaltung wrote a letter to all of us in the house, about were parking. That worked, now it’s all fine.

Urs Max 03.05.2021 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jen001 (Post 3301923)
I should point out that it is more of a Gemeinde[I] than [I]the[I] Gemeinde but I have a contract with my number plate and the number of the space linked to it, and a standing order paying the rent on it every month.

If the word "Gemeinde" is printed in yellow/orange, on the wall or on the ground, people will assume that your spot is reserved for anybody having business with them (plus some who will abuse the opportunity). This is common practice.

In such a case you'd want a plate with your number screwed in place on the wall, after every "Gemeinde" applying to your spot has been removed/painted over. Not sure whose duty the numberplate is, but removing "Gemeinde" is definitely the owner's. It won't hurt to make sure that this place is indeed yours by enquiring with the Gemeinde, also to build a bit of a connection.

curley 03.05.2021 16:07

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3302185)
If the word "Gemeinde" is printed in yellow/orange, on the wall or on the ground, people will assume that your spot is reserved for anybody having business with them (plus some who will abuse the opportunity). This is common practice.

In such a case you'd want a plate with your number screwed in place on the wall, after every "Gemeinde" applying to your spot has been removed/painted over. Not sure whose duty the numberplate is, but removing "Gemeinde" is definitely the owner's. It won't hurt to make sure that this place is indeed yours by enquiring with the Gemeinde, also to build a bit of a connection.

No need. Indicating the no-plate is enough.
Nothing scarier than the idea, one might park on the spot of the Gemeindepräsident. :D

LakeSwimmer 03.05.2021 16:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hoover1 (Post 3302102)
That would normally get you nowhere except Betreibungsbüro as company renting spot to you couldn't care less who is parking there if you permitted it and payment isn't related even to use of space (see OP has no car even!) but to agreement you have and until mentioned there that you can stop paying when someone is using the spot - you simply breaking the contract.

I didn’t have a car but the space (in central hof)was used almost daily by different cars , not permitted by me. I friendly notes on cars stating it was a private place. I sent many emails with photos and simply just stopped paying.
Heard nothing so maybe they simply rented to someone else.
👍

hoover1 03.05.2021 19:11

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Originally Posted by LakeSwimmer (Post 3302191)
I didn’t have a car but the space (in central hof)was used almost daily by different cars , not permitted by me. I friendly notes on cars stating it was a private place. I sent many emails with photos and simply just stopped paying.
Heard nothing so maybe they simply rented to someone else.
👍

Troll?

LakeSwimmer 03.05.2021 19:56

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Originally Posted by hoover1 (Post 3302249)
Troll?

No Lucerne

Urs Max 04.05.2021 11:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 3302190)
No need. Indicating the no-plate is enough.

No need =/= useful

curley 04.05.2021 15:46

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3302439)
No need =/= useful

From all the possible synonyms you did not hit one :D

Plus, ever heard of "never change a running system"? The perfect case of 'no need'

Urs Max 05.05.2021 12:53

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3302544)
From all the possible synonyms you did not hit one :D

Plus, ever heard of "never change a running system"? The perfect case of 'no need'

Congrats, you've just won the internet.

Kittster 05.05.2021 13:10

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3301994)
I guess you could put a traffic cone in the space and another sign on the wall or just keep leaving a note on the car or reporting it (take photos of the car and registration plate).

I would have suggested that but a friend tried this and the first cone was stolen, the second one was vandalised and then they basically gave up. They moved a little while later and now have a designated underground parking space.

Axa 05.05.2021 13:24

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Just curious at the legal implications of drilling the floor, installing an expansion bolt, and tie with a wire or cable a bumper of the offending car to the bolt. What could happen beyond lots of laughing?

I know this is beyond irresponsible but if no one's accountable for the place being used against tenant wishes, quite probably no one's accountable for a prank...........but, better start with a recommended letter to the building management and leave pranks for drinking nights with friends.

k_and_e 05.05.2021 13:28

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If you're in a German-speaking part of the world, you just put a towel on your parking place so that everyone understands that it's reserved.

Chuff 05.05.2021 13:30

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3302778)
I would have suggested that but a friend tried this and the first cone was stolen, the second one was vandalised and then they basically gave up. They moved a little while later and now have a designated underground parking space.

Then what would also likely work would be a heavily weighted stand, like for a sun shade (those large umbrellas at the beach). You can usually fill them with sand or water and they weigh 10+KG so if one was in the space with a sign on it (private parking, fine if caught) that would make it pretty hard to lug around without being very obvious.

curley 05.05.2021 13:30

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3302782)
Just curious at the legal implications of drilling the floor, installing an expansion bolt, and tie with a wire or cable a bumper of the offending car to the bolt. What could happen beyond lots of laughing?

I know this is beyond irresponsible but if no one's accountable for the place being used against tenant wishes, quite probably no one's accountable for a prank...........but, better start with a recommended letter to the building management and leave pranks for drinking nights with friends.

Sachbeschädigung.
Vigilantism is not an option here. I know it's tempting, I've had an idea or two in certain cases.

bowlie 05.05.2021 13:34

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Put up a (fake?) video camera with an appropriate sign that the site is under surveillance 24/7.


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