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the notion of an agent to arrange passage and accommodation for travellers in advance was not even new when they began their operations in the 18th century
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Cox and King's certainly predates Thomas Cook in the United Kingdom, but the notion of an agent to arrange passage and accommodation for travellers in advance was not even new when they began their operations in the 18th century.

The English didn't invent everything, you know!
ah yes, thanks. From what I understand, they did arrange travel for wealthy clients and military officers, etc- but did they have an agency, as a 'shop' open to the public- as the one on Gallowtree Gate, Leicester? Happy to be proved wrong- but I'd like to know for sure. Links?

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Don't think you can compare the two companies. Cox & Kings seems to have been concentrated on the military side for most of their time, while Thomas Cook went straight into what we call tour operator excursions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook

I worked on a holiday programme for over 10 years back in the 80s and never heard of Cox & Kings. In fact this is the first time I've ever heard of it, though since it seems to be mostly based in India I'm not surprised.
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Re: Is there a strong connection between your 'back' home and where you live in CH?

Horses for courses this one. I worked as a business travel consultant for 10yrs and had heard of Cox & Kings. However, most leisure travellers won't have heard of the company I worked for, even though they were in 152 countries when I worked for them (or at least that's what my email signature said).
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Page and Moy was another big Leicester travel firm- and Millingtons a smaller but very famous one locally. As said though, Cox and King and T. Cook were totally different. So I'll stick to my guns that the Thomas Cook travel agent's shop, open to the public- was indeed the first in the world.

FMF- Thomas Cook did also invent the Travellers' cheque- and all pre-booked and paid Hôtels and tours- to avoid travellers having to carry much cash, and be the victims of burglary- especially once he organised tours beyond Europe.
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Page and Moy was another big Leicester travel firm- and Millingtons a smaller but very famous one locally. As said though, Cox and King and T. Cook were totally different. So I'll stick to my guns that the Thomas Cook travel agent's shop, open to the public- was indeed the first in the world.

FMF- Thomas Cook did also invent the Travellers' cheque- and all pre-booked and paid Hôtels and tours- to avoid travellers having to carry much cash, and be the victims of burglary- especially once he organised tours beyond Europe.
Well actually the Templar's invented the Traveller's cheque - indeed the whole cheque idea. They issued promisory notes for people who left their money with them in one preceptory and could collect that amount at another preceptory in another region or country.

"Accumulating wealth in this manner throughout Christendom and the Outremer, the order in 1150 began generating letters of credit for pilgrims journeying to the Holy Land: pilgrims deposited their valuables with a local Templar preceptory before embarking, received a document indicating the value of their deposit, then used that document upon arrival in the Holy Land to retrieve their funds in an amount of treasure of equal value. This innovative arrangement was an early form of banking and may have been the first formal system to support the use of cheques; it improved the safety of pilgrims by making them less attractive targets for thieves, and also contributed to the Templar coffers."

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Actually, history will show you are all wrong. The first to offer package holidays to far flung destinations, thereby predating Thomas Cook with this idea, was the British army!


"A new study has found that at various times the British have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe.
The analysis of the histories of the almost 200 countries in the world found only 22 which have never experienced an invasion by the British."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...uxembourg.html
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Off the top of my head, the only link I can come up with is between The Edinburgh Military Tattoo and the Basel Tattoo, set up after Basel's Top Secret Drum Corps amazed audiences with their performance in Edinburgh in 2006.


Basel Tattoo received help and advice from Edinburgh when they set it up, and the biggest sign of recognition has to be that Basel Tattoo now has its own official tartan! This tartan was approved by The Scottish Register of tartans, the pattern includes Basel and Swiss colours as well as blue for the St. Andrew's flag.
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Only link I have is growing up Dutch protestant = calvinistic = Calvin Geneva.
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Only link I have is growing up Dutch protestant = calvinistic = Calvin Geneva.
Scotland's John Knox spent some time in exile in Geneva with Calvin in the 1550s, in fact The Reformation Wall in the grounds of the University of Geneva, which was founded by John Calvin, has statues of both Knox and Calvin, as well as a few others.
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The Mennonites of St Jacob, Ontario are about the only link between my home and Switzerland. Although many other Anabaptists mixed in after the 1525 meeting, the dialect spoken in St Jacob is quite close to Swiss German.

And the first book I remember being read to me, in the Eatonville Library in Etobicoke, was Schellen Ursli - but that was an English translation.
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Actually, history will show you are all wrong. The first to offer package holidays to far flung destinations, thereby predating Thomas Cook with this idea, was the British army!


"A new study has found that at various times the British have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe.
The analysis of the histories of the almost 200 countries in the world found only 22 which have never experienced an invasion by the British."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...uxembourg.html
This comes back to Cox & Kings.

Surprised about the Basel Tatoo, I could have sworn it was going before 2006. The Avenches one has been around longer.
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This comes back to Cox & Kings.

Surprised about the Basel Tatoo, I could have sworn it was going before 2006. The Avenches one has been around longer.
All kings had cox, though only some where pricks...
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Re: Is there a strong connection between your 'back' home and where you live in CH?

Today (1st August) is Swiss National Day here.

At home (Leeds), 1st August is Yorkshire Day.

Serendipity...

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The Mennonites of St Jacob, Ontario are about the only link between my home and Switzerland. Although many other Anabaptists mixed in after the 1525 meeting, the dialect spoken in St Jacob is quite close to Swiss German.

And the first book I remember being read to me, in the Eatonville Library in Etobicoke, was Schellen Ursli - but that was an English translation.
Is this the dialect? Looks fairly easy to understand (mostly).
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I read Hermann Hesse in high school.

His grave is three over from my in-laws'.

Everytime we go to tend the grave, tourists ask for directions to Hesse's.

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St. Gallen was founded by an Irish monk as my Mum tells me every time she comes out. James Joyce was buried in Zurich and I still regard Portrait of an Artist as a decent book.
MrsG comes from Bangor in N. Ireland, which is where St. Gall set out from before founding the monastery. There is a bus stop in St. Gallen called "Bangor".

I don't think my home town, Tintagel, has any Swiss connections.
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Yes, it ran along my inlaws' property for a hundred meters or so.

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Re: Is there a strong connection between your 'back' home and where you live in CH?

Studied Mary Shelley's Frankenstein for my GCSE English lit.

Last week, I took a lunch time walk from the office and discovered by accident the place where she wrote it.

Overlooking Lake Geneva in Cologny, published when she was 20.

At 20, I was working in a supermarket and still acting like an adolescent.

Am I doing this right?
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