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I'm not claiming that the police train people to walk into the road and it's ok. That was a glib throw away statement. Ignore it.

It's likely not here in CH particularly, it's just I'm here observing a usual phenomenon. I have nothing to compare against.

I do know I don't like to see it.
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Old 22.08.2017, 16:52
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Out of interest, how are children normally taught to cross the road here?

However they're doing it, it's not working very well.... the number of occasions I've been driving on non main roads where I've seen a kid and thought, yeah, I bet you're going to [do something stupid without looking], and they do is so very high.

Unsure what the RTA stats are here, but I spoke with a Swiss lass at work about this once about how bad they are with road safety here. The response was along the lines of referencing the fact that the person has right of way now. Almost whatever the situation.

Struck me (no pun intended) as archetypal Swiss thinking. Yeah you can run me down, but I'm in the right!

Now I think about it, this must be what they're teaching them...

It's really staggering though.
The stats don't back up what you or the person you spoke to think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

Switzerland seems to be easily in the top rank for traffic safety.

The corollary to your statement about Swiss thinking is that the drivers do on the whole believe in the same set of rules, and therefore respect crossings and pedestrian zones more than in other countries (like Britain where they're an afterthought, or France where they seem to be a personal affront/challenge to the driver).
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Old 22.08.2017, 17:02
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or France where they seem to be a personal affront/challenge to the driver).

Some here are too .... specially the ones where the pedestrians cross like ducks - one behind the other with a distance of 1.5 m - (I cross Central in direction Kunsthaus only if I absolutely have to for that reason).

Only we live with this <sigh>
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My son knows our phone numbers by heart. So he can always ask someone to call etc.

Remember the police regularly come to schools to teach the children about safety - traffic, strangers etc.

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Hi, can you give a few tips on what solutions you taught you kid for these scenarios?

- wrong turn

- what do I do if I get lost

without having a phone?
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My son knows our phone numbers by heart. So he can always ask someone to call etc.

Remember the police regularly come to schools to teach the children about safety - traffic, strangers etc.
It was homework in the 2nd Klass. every child had to memorise their parents phone number. Before that, I put my business card with mobile number in her bag. And used to practice telling a policeman who you are and where you live (from age 4 I think) She could not remember the exact address, but she knew our surname and the bus number and stop.
But first you have to ask someone to help you find a policeman.
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The stats don't back up what you or the person you spoke to think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

Switzerland seems to be easily in the top rank for traffic safety.

The corollary to your statement about Swiss thinking is that the drivers do on the whole believe in the same set of rules, and therefore respect crossings and pedestrian zones more than in other countries (like Britain where they're an afterthought, or France where they seem to be a personal affront/challenge to the driver).
That's really interesting, I would nit-pick a little about fatalities being the measurement there, this includes a lot of other factors other than road-safety. On the other hand, you can't just measure 'incidents'.

As I was saying before, maybe this is just a sign of the times, or I'm getting grumpy with age, or whatever.

I suppose they just do things that I think i never would have done (but probably did).
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The principle that over 90% of child abuse happens in the family or very near surroundings (like neighbours, friends, teacher, priests,...)? I think the idea of some bad outsider is something parents prefer over the idea that the biggest dangers might be hidden in plain sight, but it's just factually wrong.
Thats you being all rational and reasonable, all I see is 10%

Statistics mislead.

The chances of your child being abused are very small. The chances of your child being abused by a stranger are even smaller - 1/10 the chance. However, I see no reason for not using cheap technology to add an extra layer of security. We did it for our cats!
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Statistics mislead.

The chances of your child being abused are very small. The chances of your child being abused by a stranger are even smaller - 1/10 the chance. However, I see no reason for not using cheap technology to add an extra layer of security. We did it for our cats!
Were your cats being abused?
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Old 23.08.2017, 12:37
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Statistics mislead.

The chances of your child being abused are very small. The chances of your child being abused by a stranger are even smaller - 1/10 the chance. However, I see no reason for not using cheap technology to add an extra layer of security. We did it for our cats!
How does a GPS tracker protect against abuse?

If your kids take too long to come home, I guess you could check where they were - or you could just ask them, which would be a much better approach to being open about risk and what is right and wrong.

And in 90% of abuse cases, the point here is that you would look at the GPS and get confirmation that they called in on somebody you know, who may have set up some cover story, and it would tell you absolutely nothing about the problem.
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How does a GPS tracker protect against abuse?

If your kids take too long to come home, I guess you could check where they were - or you could just ask them, which would be a much better approach to being open about risk and what is right and wrong.

And in 90% of abuse cases, the point here is that you would look at the GPS and get confirmation that they called in on somebody you know, who may have set up some cover story, and it would tell you absolutely nothing about the problem.
If someone tries to kidnap my child with a tracking device it will alarm when they move outside the safety zone I have configured, so notifying me that there is a problem and I can then act.

Im lost for words that using this kind of stuff is seen as mollycoddling. Its almost like the Breast Milk Brigade who carp on about not using formula.

These devices are harmless, out-of-site keyrings that you might put in their backpack or clip onto their coat which is going to help you if they need to get in touch or have a problem. REsponding that they will never learn whats safe and whats not and the like is taking things to extremes that will never arrive.
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Old 23.08.2017, 13:08
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If someone tries to kidnap my child with a tracking device it will alarm when they move outside the safety zone I have configured, so notifying me that there is a problem and I can then act.

Im lost for words that using this kind of stuff is seen as mollycoddling. Its almost like the Breast Milk Brigade who carp on about not using formula.

These devices are harmless, out-of-site keyrings that you might put in their backpack or clip onto their coat which is going to help you if they need to get in touch or have a problem. REsponding that they will never learn whats safe and whats not and the like is taking things to extremes that will never arrive.
Uh, since when did I say anything about mollycoddling, and how is your rant in any way related to what I actually posted?

You're entitled to your opinion, but please don't misquote me or make assumptions about mine.

And talking about taking things to extremes, the OP was about kids getting lost, and now you're talking about kidnapping
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Old 23.08.2017, 13:18
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If someone tries to kidnap my child with a tracking device it will alarm when they move outside the safety zone I have configured, so notifying me that there is a problem and I can then act.

Im lost for words that using this kind of stuff is seen as mollycoddling. Its almost like the Breast Milk Brigade who carp on about not using formula.

These devices are harmless, out-of-site keyrings that you might put in their backpack or clip onto their coat which is going to help you if they need to get in touch or have a problem. REsponding that they will never learn whats safe and whats not and the like is taking things to extremes that will never arrive.
Because the kidnappers will really worry about the kid's school bag, right?

Unless you sodder that thing to your kid's shoe, you will freak out everytime your kid forgets his school bag somewhere. Which happens about once a week with some kids.
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Because the kidnappers will really worry about the kid's school bag, right?

Unless you sodder that thing to your kid's shoe, you will freak out everytime your kid forgets his school bag somewhere. Which happens about once a week with some kids.
well we will see, because like Castro I bought the tracker and its in the post on its way here. I have checked with my health insurance and the children can get psychological counselling on the policy if this ruins them for life because they haven't managed to find their own way out of being lost and have had to use a parent to help them.

We also see a use for it when they are skiing so we know where they are on the resort but this could destroy them for life in terms of their confidence on the ski slope I expect, just knowing your parent knows where you are, that could be disastrous mentally.
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Old 23.08.2017, 13:38
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well we will see, because like Castro I bought the tracker and its in the post on its way here. I have checked with my health insurance and the children can get psychological counselling on the policy if this ruins them for life because they haven't managed to find their own way out of being lost and have had to use a parent to help them.

We also see a use for it when they are skiing so we know where they are on the resort but this could destroy them for life in terms of their confidence on the ski slope I expect, just knowing your parent knows where you are, that could be disastrous mentally.
Lol. Do you want me to delete your post so they don't read it here?

I am worried about being senile when we get old and having some gps chip in case I wonder off. Where's the beauty in that.
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Were your cats being abused?
No - but they were abusing the hospitality of neighbours.

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How does a GPS tracker protect against abuse?
See replies above. But the point of my post was to show how misleading some statistics are. HTH.
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Because the kidnappers will really worry about the kid's school bag, right?

Unless you sodder that thing to your kid's shoe, you will freak out everytime your kid forgets his school bag somewhere. Which happens about once a week with some kids.
That infrequently?
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well we will see, because like Castro I bought the tracker and its in the post on its way here. I have checked with my health insurance and the children can get psychological counselling on the policy if this ruins them for life because they haven't managed to find their own way out of being lost and have had to use a parent to help them.

We also see a use for it when they are skiing so we know where they are on the resort but this could destroy them for life in terms of their confidence on the ski slope I expect, just knowing your parent knows where you are, that could be disastrous mentally.
Maybe we should all be GPS tagged. It's not only children that go missing or are abused. Should probably link it all into a national system so that authorities can be alerted more efficiently.

That reminds me, I haven't read 1984 in a few years
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That infrequently?
Good point - putting it on the schoolbag would solve a real-world problem.

If you combined it with the geofencing and gave them a phone as well, they could get alerted before they got too far, and would avoid being yelled at for "forgetting" their homework that they obviously would have done if they could.

Maybe we can have a thread for real-world, non-mollycoddling problems that are helped by GPS, and move this one to the first-world-problems.
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I have faith in parents..they eventually graduate from the panic. Just to start worrying about dates or no-dates.

Just wait till your kid goes to "the big school" and their life starts to somewhat resemble what we used to have and took for granted.

I feel bad for kids who's life gets clipped not only by lack of safety which increased, but also constant sourveillance. We were all over the place when little, our parents didn't know if we were at neighbors (abusing their hospitality and tv) or which tree we climbed. The only sure thing was, at some point we showed for classes. Some dinners (if we haven't eaten at buddies) and sleep (if we haven't slept at buddies).

Big cities suck for kids.
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