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I've so far lived in four countries and I think that at least the German speaking part of CH is the hardest to integrate into and make local friends I have ever seen.

There are easy going and cool people around, but like most stereotypes is there some true core to it - it's not impossible to make local friends but simply more effort compared to other parts of the world. And that's pretty much what the statistic was about. In my experience do most Swiss have their social circles and no intention to expand them unless they have a good reason to do so. It is therefore on you to "offer something" to make you worthy to become a friend as described by others here.

Thats pretty fundamentally different from other cultures where you can easily walk into a bar and have some conversation. I don't know if that is my definition of friendship, but it is the sort of social contact some expats coming from those cultures expected and miss in CH. And I can understand them.

Have just returned from a trip to the west coast of Canada (both remote locations and city), and admit that it took a while for my daughter and me to adjust to the easy-going conversation and (great) efficiency and life-style - although it was pretty much on par with something between CH and Canada.

Yes, it was very different when it came to social interaction.

At the end of the day, it really all boils down to what you want and expect from your encounters. Quite often, if a Swiss is open for friendship - then that's one that may be worth keeping.

On the ex-pat scale, then it's naturally on a different level. Quite simply different lifestyles and expectations. As some have already alluded to in this thread, the ex-pat community circles are not always "one size fits all".
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sorry for off topic.

I don't know why this supposedly high suicide rate is being brought up regularly. It is simply not true (check this interactive map of WHO). Switzerlands suicide rate is in inline with the ones of it's neighboring countries. Furthermore, in Switzerland suicide is not subject to as much stigma as in other countries and the concept of assisted suicide is actually socially quite accepted.
Although WHO does state that Switzerland ranks slightly below France in suicides, Wikipedia mentions that the rate is actually higher after non-standardization of data. However, general statistics support your argument so I stand corrected.

As statistics show, the rate of suicide was higher in the past and having resided here for so long, I've known quite a few people who chose to end their lives earlier due to emotional stress. Talk to a train driver and they'll tell you that their industry is confronted with cases of suicide on an almost daily basis.

The Swiss are grateful for the opportunity of assisted suicide and hold no contempt towards those who choose it.

Now back to Swiss friendliness...
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It depends which data you look at and also you need to look behind the data.
Suicides in Switzerland are often recorded as accidents.
The former owner of the flat where we live first cut her wrists open, then jumped out of the window in the hospital.
Her death was officially recorded as an accident. Yet everyone knows it was suicide. It is worth noting that she had been turned down by an assisted suicide organization.
The data in your link does not tell the whole/real story.
Suicide rates in Switzerland have always been higher than elsewhere.

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Although WHO does state that Switzerland ranks slightly below France in suicides, Wikipedia mentions that the rate is actually higher after non-standardization of data. However, general statistics support your argument so I stand corrected.

As statistics show, the rate of suicide was higher in the past and having resided here for so long, I've known quite a few people who chose to end their lives earlier due to emotional stress. Talk to a train driver and they'll tell you that their industry is confronted with cases of suicide on an almost daily basis.

The Swiss are grateful for the opportunity of assisted suicide and hold no contempt towards those who choose it.

Now back to Swiss friendliness...
This is so offtopic that I replied in this thread
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at least the German speaking part of CH is the hardest to integrate into and make local friends I have ever seen.
I would definitely agree with that. Having lived previously in the Deutschschweiz and now in Geneva, I can say that here it is much easier to chat with people (and the local language is much easier as well). I speak hochdeutsch but could never get the hang of the swiss german dialects.
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Re: Expats in CH like the safety but not the locals...

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20 minutes is on the story and interviewed two example expats... looks like the perfect samples are Ukrainian females or Nigerian dudes... and both happen to be business consultants.

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...unde--20414138
While agree with you on the small sample size, I am amazed you by what you write. They spoke to a lady from Ukraine. Why do you say "Ukrainian females"? Kindly enlighten me why the plural form is used. Thank you
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It's this kind of bullsh*t stereotypical attitude which harms the expat community and makes us look like arseholes. People at Internations are like all other people, you get nice normal ones and you get insufferable ones... just like EF. I have also met many more nice people and made more lasting friendships through Internations than EF.

I also sometimes get the impression that the people who complain about and stereotype Internations etc are often the ones with social insecurities that prefer to live their life online than put themselves out there and meet people.
LOL. You seemed to be stereotyping to prevent stereotyping
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