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Thanks for that jmf, very helpful. Out of interest, why would you think commuting by car from Walchwil (as opposed to Zug) would be a nightmare? If the Walchwil-Zug stretch is busy, going round the bottom of the Zugersee and up to Cham and onto the Zurich West-ring would be my choice of commute (need to go to Altstetten, so can take the Schlieren cut off).

I think the nightlife isn't so important - I would still think that we'd be going out in Zurich (and maybe a bit more in Zug) and getting the train home, so I don't think it would suffer too much - maybe I'd just need to plan a bit more and make sure to get last trains.

@olygirl - yes, the main concern would be the tracks. I don't think it would actually disturb us too much, but I think would affect the price in future, when we come to sell in however many years. The place we are looking at is expensive and the thought of losing a big wedge due to something outwith our control would be galling. The difficulty is getting a panorama lake view in walking distance of the station isn't easy, so weighing all of this up.

If the track were widened and a new line added, and the train frequency doubled (as mooted), I would actually view this as a positive, more trains for commuting would be a good thing...if they run freight down there though, then that would be an absolute dealbreaker.
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Old 19.09.2017, 13:53
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

I was thinking that to get to/from Walchwil you have to go through all of Zug, whereas if you lived in Zug or on the other side (towards Steinhausen/Cham) you can bypass a lot of traffic via various side-roads...but there's only one road to Walchwil afaik.
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Fair enough. Any idea how long you're likely to be snagged up in there of a morning?
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

We've lived in Walchwil for 6 years (From the UK) and while my wife struggled for a bit at the beginning, due to not working and Walchwil being very quiet. I absolutely love it and would be very loathe to move. Here are a few pros and cons:

Weather
Coming from the UK, I have no complaints at all. Summers are great and we spend a lot of time down at the Badi or cycling around the lake. (OK, maybe less time cycling around the lake!) Sure, we have fog, but only when Zug has fog, so it's not a Walchwil thing. In the 6 years we've been here I don't recall ever remembering or being concerned about the fog. It's also not particularly cold in winter. (Any more than normal, that is) We also sometimes have the most fantastic thunderstorms that roll in and rearrange your terrace furniture. I usually sit outside with a glass of wine in wonderment!

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This one has been rumbling for ages. I hadn't heard that it was for freight, but rather to add a track (It's a single track in places) to avoid knock on delays when one train (The Italian!!) is delayed. We've stopped worrying about it as it keeps on getting delayed and someone I spoke with suggests it may not happen anyway. Regardless, as Walchwil is on a hillside, unless you are right in front or behind you will likely not hear or see it.

Amenities
Almost zero, but consider Walchwil a suburb of Zug and then it won't bother you.

Travel to Zurich
If you can catch the direct train then you are onto a winner. The stretch between Oberwil and Zug can get congested, but at worst it adds 10-15 minutes to your journey. Trains/buses are 3 an hour to Zug

Community
Fantastic expat community. It's about one third expat and it is a really close community. We do a lot for one another and always have group activities. The Swiss people in Walchwil are also amongst the friendliest I have encountered

Vista
You really can't beat Walchwil! Great views and nature all around. Beware though. Living towards the top will guarantee amazing views, but a strenuous walk home. If you drive, no issue. There is only one road that is a noise concern and that is the lake road. We live one house back from that road and while I wont say there is no car noise, we don't hear it anymore. If it were my choice, I would prefer to live closer to the lake, due to the access to the lake and a more convenient trip to the station. (We've lived both high and low)

Tax
The lowest in Switzerland, I believe and certainly half of what you pay in ZH

I think that's about it, but if you want to hear more, feel free to PM me.
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Hi Nick, great stuff, thank you very much and it is extremely comforting to hear all that. We fell in love with Walchwil when looking around, and so I think we're pretty much set on it. We are also looking at a place (or places in general!) that aren't far up the hill at all and a short walk from the station (0.5km or so).

I'd definitely be looking at the direct train for work, it is ideal and gets me in just at the right time. Winner.
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Old 19.09.2017, 15:32
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Hi Nick, great stuff, thank you very much and it is extremely comforting to hear all that. We fell in love with Walchwil when looking around, and so I think we're pretty much set on it. We are also looking at a place (or places in general!) that aren't far up the hill at all and a short walk from the station (0.5km or so).

I'd definitely be looking at the direct train for work, it is ideal and gets me in just at the right time. Winner.
Feel free to run any places/locations by me. I know all the nooks and crannies in Walchwil.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

My humble opinion is NOT to underestimate the effect of all that fog on your mood. I lived in Cham for 1 1/2 years and moved as it really got my mood down.

For this reason Ägeri is the only place in Zug canton I would consider moving to.

Also, note that Walchwil is very not child friendly. Pretty much all places on hillside with adjacent roads and little flat area for kids to play. In addition AFIK the kindergarten does not offer afternoon care.

On the financial side: Canton ZUG is highly overpriced.
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I lived in Shropshire and Lowland Scotland for 23 years before moving here...I think I'll get used to it
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It's not the getting used to it really, as much as seeing how much brighter that extra couple of hundred meters is, then saying "I wish....."

From there everywhere work or social is a bit of a trek, unless you live close to the lake. Then it's a busy road, very at commute times, so noisy, and who wants to get used to traffic noise (part and parcel of city life) when you move to the sticks for a more peaceful life. You are closer to the train which makes that a little easier but closer to the noise which will only increase. The folks I know who bugged out due to this couldn't actually leave the kitchen or bedroom or windows open for dust, and the 05:30 inter regio especially on a sunday morning... he especially loved that one. The train widening plan, will make that road even worse and drastically increase any commut times to Zug station for the duration of the work, and then no doubt the freight will be using it as it will make it a more direct route from the south than at present, so again more noise. It's easy to get carried away with a beautiful view, but its not so pretty when your woken by trains at silly oclock especially at weekends. Another got sick of having to mount a car patrol at weekends to stop people going to the lake from blocking, restricting, or on a couple of occasions parking in his spot (yes it was outside). The 3rd left Zug for Walchwil and found it just plain boring just jacked up the amount of time spent travelling, so they moved back.


I know a lot move there for tax, and on a sunny day it is pretty, but not 1 of the 3 sets of people I know who lived in Walchwil I know actually stuck it out.
It's horses for courses as they say, and you sound like you've made up your mind, so i hope it works out... and don't forget my house warming invite.
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Old 20.09.2017, 14:49
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Nothing wrong with Shropshire - it may feel in the middle of nowhere but is filled with Michelin starred or noted restaurants and a famous food festival.
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Nothing wrong with Shropshire - it may feel in the middle of nowhere but is filled with Michelin starred or noted restaurants and a famous food festival.
Not when I lived there, sadly! There was some excellent Indian and Chinese food though, so can't complain too much.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

StirB, why don't you rent a Ferienwohnung for a week in Walchwil to get a feel of the community? I think that would help you make your decision. Good luck!
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That's not a bad idea actually.

I don't think any questions we have really pertain to how Walchwil is as a place, it seems you get what's on the tin, a relatively quiet, sleepy little village, and some answers on here have more or less confirmed it. The only real issue now,I think, is the train. The place we're looking at, you can't hear the main road, but you can hear the trains...a lot hinges on what happens with the SBB proposal, really. If nothing, then it's idyllic, if the line is out of commission for 2 years, quite a big PITA, and if they decide to run freight... Game over.
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Old 21.09.2017, 12:37
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I live just across the lake from Walchwil - but a bit higher up and quite often there is fog below us but we're out of it. (we're at 500m).

You'd probably only need to go 50m (vertically) or so up the hill to be out of a lot of the fog but don't buy a house base on this!

I can keep an eye on it on foggy days and let you know if you want.
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This morning, from the other side of the lake in glorious sunshine at 11.00, it looked like Walchwil was in fog to quite high up.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Wow, fog seems to be a bit of an issue for some folk. My experience is that Walchwil actually gets less fog than Zug. Yesterday I left at 8am, in glorious sunshine and was met, halfway to Zug, by clouds and some fog. Sure, Zug is known for having periods of fog, but in my 6 years in Walchwil I don't remember it ever being an issue or extended periods of fog. I think the reputation has become a bit of a reality in peoples minds. Sure, a lot of people prefer to be above the cloud/fog line, but then you have additional snow to deal with. depends on your perspective, I guess.
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Wow, fog seems to be a bit of an issue for some folk. My experience is that Walchwil actually gets less fog than Zug. Yesterday I left at 8am, in glorious sunshine and was met, halfway to Zug, by clouds and some fog. Sure, Zug is known for having periods of fog, but in my 6 years in Walchwil I don't remember it ever being an issue or extended periods of fog. I think the reputation has become a bit of a reality in peoples minds. Sure, a lot of people prefer to be above the cloud/fog line, but then you have additional snow to deal with. depends on your perspective, I guess.
See those things called gritters and ploughs... magical devices, and all provided by someone else, and you don't have to go that much higher to escape the grey.

When you rent it's slightly different as it's easy enough to move if you find something isn't to your liking. When you put out 6-7 figures of your hard earned cash, supplemented by the bank (or probably not in Brett's case) to buy a place, you need to do the best you can to get it right.

I have been in the Zug area for 8 of my 10 years in Switzerland, and lived in Zug for a short time, and can absolutely say, by comparison... putting my gloves on a week earlier and living above that grey ceiling is definitely better.... for me.
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Old 22.09.2017, 17:04
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See those things called gritters and ploughs... magical devices, and all provided by someone else, and you don't have to go that much higher to escape the grey.

When you rent it's slightly different as it's easy enough to move if you find something isn't to your liking. When you put out 6-7 figures of your hard earned cash, supplemented by the bank (or probably not in Brett's case) to buy a place, you need to do the best you can to get it right.

I have been in the Zug area for 8 of my 10 years in Switzerland, and lived in Zug for a short time, and can absolutely say, by comparison... putting my gloves on a week earlier and living above that grey ceiling is definitely better.... for me.
Completely get what you are saying and agree, however, what I'm saying is that I do not know Walchwil to be foggy. When my friends and I joke about negative aspects of Walchwil, fog doesn't come up. If you want something to really hang you hat on: church bells!
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Completely get what you are saying and agree, however, what I'm saying is that I do not know Walchwil to be foggy. When my friends and I joke about negative aspects of Walchwil, fog doesn't come up. If you want something to really hang you hat on: church bells!
Lordy thats top of Mama G's "I'm not living close to them list". I viewed an apartment Oberwil, very nice, good view of the lake, far enough back from the road so no nosie yada, yada. got on great with the agent, and arranged to go get the boss so she could have a look. We pulled up, she got out of the car, and she hadn't gone 10 paces, when the bells kicked off... she turned round and got back in the car... thats was that. So yes, church bells
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Old 22.09.2017, 17:28
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

I've moved from above the fog to below it and guess what... I still get plenty of sun and warmer evenings. Yes, Aegeri is fantastic and quite accessible by bus but Walchwil has excellent train connections.

Personally, I'd be less concerned with the bells and fog than with the possible train noise and any possible noise from other apartment dwellers.
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