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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

I was interested in a place around 50m from a train line on that Arth to Zug train line. I was living another 50m up the street and got notices about night work a couple of times a year but couldn't really hear it.

We took the keys overnight and sat inside the apartment and there was no way I was going to get used to that noise.

We now live about another 500m up the hill and when the wind blows our way from the train we hear that train quite clearly.

I am so glad we didn't buy that apartment. They have now built apartment blocks either side of it too and there's the plans to make a double track. When you are spending 1m+ or 2m+ these days, I would want somewhere quiet.
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When you are spending 1m+ or 2m+ these days, I would want somewhere quiet.

If you want somewhere quiet, the problem is that you must also be quiet.


Many of my neighbours have parties in the summer months and people sit outside well into the early hours of the morning. While there is no loud music, you can hear talking and laughter. I don't want to live in a place where we have to go inside when it starts to get late.
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Wow, fog seems to be a bit of an issue for some folk. My experience is that Walchwil actually gets less fog than Zug. Yesterday I left at 8am, in glorious sunshine and was met, halfway to Zug, by clouds and some fog. Sure, Zug is known for having periods of fog, but in my 6 years in Walchwil I don't remember it ever being an issue or extended periods of fog. I think the reputation has become a bit of a reality in peoples minds. Sure, a lot of people prefer to be above the cloud/fog line, but then you have additional snow to deal with. depends on your perspective, I guess.
Another point about the fog: I’ve seen someone say that fog in the winter is the problem, but that’s not it. The fog happens in Autumn, so starting... about now, actually. Typically lasts about two months, and it really is most significant in the Oberwil-Zug area. Baar / Cham are usually free and clear, and while Walchwil gets fog, I have the perception - right or wrong - that it’s less than Zug.

That said, I love this canton. I’ve seriously considered moving back to Zurich for years, but in the end, we just couldn’t. Zug is too perfect. I personally wouldn’t do Walchwil because of the commute - Zug city is as far as I want to be from my office - but I think that for a certain type of person, someone who likes a quiet life, Walchwil is probably pretty idyllic. Aegeri is gorgeous, but you’re dead right about the commute unless you get a new role in Zug. It bothered my fiancée at first, but she more or less adjusted, and I’ve never been concerned with it. A quick jog and you get all the sunshine you could want, and the sunrises are gorgeous... though the sunsets make them look like a black and white photo.

One note: I did the commute-to-party (e.g. in Zurich) thing when I first lived in Zug some 10 years ago, and that was much harder in reality than it sounded on paper. Now that I’m no longer young and chasing tail, family-oriented Zug is pretty fantastic.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

So, another thing that I've just noticed, maybe you guys can help with.

It seems properties are going on the market in Walchwil at quite a high rate. Much higher than Kilchberg (with twice their population), and Ruschlikon (1.5x) to take two random examples of places i've also been looking at.

Is there a reason for this relative Walchwil exodus...can't just be the possibility of the train line, can it?
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It seems properties are going on the market in Walchwil at quite a high rate. Much higher than Kilchberg (with twice their population), and Ruschlikon (1.5x) to take two random examples of places i've also been looking at.

Is there a reason for this relative Walchwil exodus...can't just be the possibility of the train line, can it?
Well on the experience of the 3 families I knew who moved in then out of Walchwil, it was cited as a mixture of boring, pointless commute, train noise was disturbing, and traffic was a PITA... 2 of which are only going to increase.

2 moved right to Walchwil when the arrived to work in Zug both from the US, 1 Brit moved from Zug for "a quieter life" (I know right) and found it to dull and the additional travel time gave them zero benefit. Is that enough to account for more sale properties coming onto the books I don't know, as they were all renting not looking to buy. Certainly the value conscious folks could be bailing at the prospect of falling values when the proposed rail work start.
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Well on the experience of the 3 families I knew who moved in then out of Walchwil, it was cited as a mixture of boring, pointless commute, train noise was disturbing, and traffic was a PITA... 2 of which are only going to increase.

2 moved right to Walchwil when the arrived to work in Zug both from the US, 1 Brit moved from Zug for "a quieter life" (I know right) and found it to dull and the additional travel time gave them zero benefit. Is that enough to account for more sale properties coming onto the books I don't know, as they were all renting not looking to buy. Certainly the value conscious folks could be bailing at the prospect of falling values when the proposed rail work start.
Everything you mention in there, train line possibilities aside, are constants though. Shoudn't account for such a spike in selling.

Also, the vast majority of places going up wouldn't be affected by the train noise increase, so I think something else is going on...

Perhaps the local butcher is selling "special" meat and out of towners are being burnt.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

People can decide to leave for many reasons. 100% of the people I know who lived there left after fairly short stays, you may agree with their reason or not, but the fact remains the cost of moving was an accepted cost to get away from Walchwil. I personally wouldn't consider renting there let alone buying, you may find others that love it, such is human nature.

People may only find the issues with fog, noise, traffic lack of amenities etc prohibitive after they move, or be happy with those and get sick of the commute.... who knows.
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Old 03.10.2017, 20:05
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Have the houses been on the market for a long time?

Apparently houses in this area (Kanton Zug) at the higher end of the price scale are proving hard to shift because, basically, they are priced too high for the current market.

This was gleaned from talking to people but some Estate Agent bumpf we recieved last week giving house price trends seemed to confirm it.
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Have the houses been on the market for a long time?

Apparently houses in this area (Kanton Zug) at the higher end of the price scale are proving hard to shift because, basically, they are priced too high for the current market.

This was gleaned from talking to people but some Estate Agent bumpf we recieved last week giving house price trends seemed to confirm it.
It's a combination of both, Tom. Quite a few going on at the moment, and very few seem to be selling.

I was in the process of making an offer for one recently, and it had been on the market for over 4 months...the Estate Agent more or less called me stupid for using that as a reason to bid below asking price as "you don't know the Walchwil market". Apparently it is different to every other supply/demand market
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

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I was in the process of making an offer for one recently, and it had been on the market for over 4 months...the Estate Agent more or less called me stupid for using that as a reason to bid below asking price as "you don't know the Walchwil market". Apparently it is different to every other supply/demand market
Don't know, just a thought or feeling I have about that area: for some reason, it is a bit a rip-off area as expats want to move there and pay what is asked for. Something like Geneva, where the crappiest shoebox goes for any price.
But it's based on no facts, just an overall feeling I have about Zug. Btw: I'd opt for Kilchberg or Rüschlikon.
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Old 04.10.2017, 19:34
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Not sure that is absolutely accurate. We've gone from around 21 a few months ago to 14 currently. I look at various areas in the Kanton and I don't get the feeling that Walchwil has a higher rate. In fact it's the opposite. There is no turnover, meaning once you have exhausted your search you have to sit tight for a bit. I think people sit on an unrealistic price for a couple of reasons: mortgages are so low that sitting on an empty property doen't cost so much. Also, in the not so distant past, all you had to do was sit tight until some nuts expat snapped the place up, full asking price. Those days are gone, however, and we have properties that have been on the market for several years! Also, a lot of the really tasty stuff changes hands without ever being on the open market.

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It seems properties are going on the market in Walchwil at quite a high rate. Much higher than Kilchberg (with twice their population), and Ruschlikon (1.5x) to take two random examples of places i've also been looking at.

Is there a reason for this relative Walchwil exodus...can't just be the possibility of the train line, can it?
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Also, a lot of the really tasty stuff changes hands without ever being on the open market.
100% this, unfortunately!

And Flow, you'll have to read my previous post to see why I can't find anywhere in Kilch/Ruesch!
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Old 05.10.2017, 11:22
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Regarding the fog, and why it is more often in Walchwil rather than on the other side of the lake is actually basic micrometeorology.

Walchwil is in the shadow of a big hill to the east of it. The sun simply takes much longer to get around to the the town side of the hill so it can warm up the air and burn off the fog.

It's swings and roundabouts though as you would get the evening sun instead (but the other side doesn't get evening fog!).

Just trying to make my earlier comments a bit more objective.
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...all you had to do was sit tight until some nuts expat snapped the place up, full asking price. Those days are gone...
OK, so I wasn't that wrong, but my observation is 10 yrs old. That's good news.
Yep, that stuff is passed on secretly, I can imagine that.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Isn't Walchwil the lowest tax commune in Canton Zug?

If you want access to Zurich by car you could consider Edlibach on the outskirts of Menzingen or Neuheim which are above the fog levels and not too far from the main access points to Zurich.

The only disadvantage is they get a lot of snow in winter, but after living for many years in the area it's not an issue really. They don't flood either, which you need to consider for lake level properties near Ägerisee.

Both are on bus routes, one to Zug the other to Baar station.

They also have some amazing views of Zugersee and the alps on a clear day, and you can watch the peasants living in the fog from the sunshine. I get much more sun at 800m than they do down at lake level it makes a huge difference in winter.

You'd take the road over Hirzel then to the A3 or you can take the low road if you like the scenery which is amazing in the Sihlwald this time of year.

Gubel is another village I know people living there any they seem happy, so plenty of choice if Walchwil is not working out.

Looks a little like this...

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Regarding the fog, and why it is more often in Walchwil rather than on the other side of the lake is actually basic micrometeorology.

Walchwil is in the shadow of a big hill to the east of it. The sun simply takes much longer to get around to the the town side of the hill so it can warm up the air and burn off the fog.

It's swings and roundabouts though as you would get the evening sun instead (but the other side doesn't get evening fog!).

Just trying to make my earlier comments a bit more objective.
I find what seems like a personal vendetta against fog in particular and Walchwil in general to be rather amusing.

You say you want to be objective but my observation is that you started off with the conclusion and are retrofitting the evidence to support that conclusion.

I am no micrometreologist, but I know from what I believe to be accepted conventional wisdom that south west facing locations are usually one of the best locations in terms of daylight and direct sun exposure.

The majority of houses / apartments in Walchwil are south west facing between 240° and 300° according to my iPhone’s compass.

They don’t call it the Riviera of Zug for no reason. The proof is in the pudding and that pudding is the locally produced wine from the vineyards up by Hotel Aesch.

Walchwil is on the western side of the hill / small mountain (a topic for another thread as to whether it’s a hill or a mountain), that is the extension of the Zugerberg to the Walchwilerberg and up to the highest point of the Rossberg (and Zug for that matter) which is the Wildspitz at around 1600m. Everything else being equal I know which side I would rather live on. (Hint: West side iz da best!)

Now going back to the rather thorny issue of fog, from my experience with Walchwil, and as NickGB said in an earlier post, I don’t recall the fog ever being an issue to the point where I would think “enough is enough” not even close to it, most fog is usually in the morning where I would be at work anyway, and when I come back in the evening skies are blue, and if we’re lucky there are some clouds to give that perfect pink sunset. (See exibit 1 attached)

Whether Walchwil has more fog than other “villages” on the same level is rather debateble, the idea that the sun doesn’t go around fast enough to burn off the fog would in my opinion favour Walchwil rather than Oberwil b. Zug and Zug itself because it starts clearing off from the Wachwil side first depending on which side the wind is blowing (Föhn “southern warm wind blowing north” and Bise “cold northern wind blowing south”).

My experience is that when there is fog it’s not always the same, sometimes Walchwil has less fog, sometimes Zug has less fog, sometimes they are both covered and you can’t see %h!t! If you’re gonna complain about weather events I would complain about clouds, I would certainly say there are on average more cloudy days than foggy days in autumn and winter with a few scattered sunny days in between. (At what point are low clouds considered fog?)

I hope this helps the OP in making the decision as I seriously don’t believe the fog is a factor worth thinking about too much (IMHO).
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Thanks for the tips Catalyst, but ideally looking for somewhere that is a reasonable commute by car and public transport, so can't be too far from a mainline station.
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I find what seems like a personal vendetta against fog in particular and Walchwil in general to be rather amusing.
Why personal vendetta against Walchwil?

I don't know StirB and I don't care where he chooses to buy.

I was merely trying to be helpful. Not sure why you think this is some points-scoring exercise?

I'm interested in micro-meteorology/meteorology and have been for years.

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Walchwil is on the western side of the hill / small mountain (a topic for another thread as to whether it’s a hill or a mountain), that is the extension of the Zugerberg to the Walchwilerberg and up to the highest point of the Rossberg (and Zug for that matter) which is the Wildspitz at around 1600m. Everything else being equal I know which side I would rather live on. (Hint: West side iz da best!)
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Yes, I know. I get a nice view of Wildspitz from my place.

I'm really impartial. - If it helps - I ought to add that a lot of evenings when we're in shade, the Zugerberg/Walchwil area gets bathed in beautiful evening sunshine which is definitely a big plus point.

Happy now?
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I'm really impartial. - If it helps - I ought to add that a lot of evenings when we're in shade, the Zugerberg/Walchwil area gets bathed in beautiful evening sunshine which is definitely a big plus point.

Happy now?
You didn't sound that impartial a few posts earlier

Every place has it's pluses and minuses, you just gotta pick what minuses you could put up with for the sake of the pluses.

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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

I didn't mention the rainbows did I?

When Zugerberg/Walchwil gets that beautiful evening sun, and it's raining, we get to see the biggest, brightest, most richly-colourful rainbows in the world.

(that's not really a minus point as you can't miss what you don't see!)
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