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Anybody live in Walchwil?

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The ladyfriend and I are thinking it is about time to move a little ways outside Zurich as we are getting towards that kind of time of our lives. After extensive searching, we think we've found the place for us, that combines reasonable property prices, good tax, great views, amongst other importat factors - that place is Walchwil. We've seen a few places we like and are pretty much ready to pull the trigger, but would love some first hand opinions of the place. We're mid 30s, I'm British, have lived here 10 years, pretty well integrated (language wise at least!), she's Swiss, if these things make any difference. Of course the biggest concern is a lack of amenities compared to the city - how much of an impact has that had on your life?

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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Oh, and as an aside, your opinions on the SBB's attempts to widen the track / add a second line?
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

First thing came up to me, is the Train lines, which you said are going to be extended, will become more often then ?

Other thing is, it might be quite foggy all the year, I cannot say a definitive days in total but I would check.

I am also not sure about the average weather but, as far as I know, having the Zugerberg back of you, it might cold during winter especially.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Hi Tassadar, thanks for the tips! Cold I can deal with, I much prefer it to warm to be honest.

We went on Saturday, when the weather was awful - the top of the rigi wasn't visible, but fog was OK...I guess you really need to see it in Jan / Feb to see how bad it could get though - most of Zurich gets foggy, so I'd expect many places near lakes do. On the plus side, depending on thickness and visibility, it can be quite beautiful!

Regarding the train lines, they will eventually become twice as frequent, which is obviously good commuting wise, but bad if you are within earshot of the train.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Personally I wouldn't live in Walchwil, I have friends there and they aren't keen either. At the time property was in short supply and it was the best they could get. When we moved back to the Zug area, even though we saw some nice places on Homegate etc around Walchwil they never made a viewing list.

Traffic could be a pig on the lake road to so especially at commute times, 1 couple who worked in Zug bailed as soon as their notice period was up, happy to incur another move to get away from the place, due to noise and traffic. If you close to the train thats as bad, although it is an easy trip.

Zug and the lower areas round the lake can be notoriously cloudy/foggy though. We often leave home in Äegeri where its bright and sunny, and drive down the hill through the clouds into Zug where it's grey and a little murky,and it's the main reason Mama G wont live in 6300. Get a little bit higher and it's much better.
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Morning all,

The ladyfriend and I are thinking it is about time to move a little ways outside Zurich as we are getting towards that kind of time of our lives. After extensive searching, we think we've found the place for us, that combines reasonable property prices, good tax, great views, amongst other importat factors - that place is Walchwil. We've seen a few places we like and are pretty much ready to pull the trigger, but would love some first hand opinions of the place. We're mid 30s, I'm British, have lived here 10 years, pretty well integrated (language wise at least!), she's Swiss, if these things make any difference. Of course the biggest concern is a lack of amenities compared to the city - how much of an impact has that had on your life?

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If I had the choice I would live above the fog and somewhere with a view.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

we live in Rotkreuz on the other side of the lake from Walchwil. yes it gets foggy in winter, but if the greyness of UK in winter didn't bother you, then you should be fine.

Walchwil to Zug is not far at all, and easy enough outside rush hour. So supermarket, restaurants etc are accessible enough. If you want the facilities of Zurich....then for sure, Zug is not the place to be

I've known colleagues at work (driving to Baar) be perfectly happy in Walchwil, one living there for 7 years until moving to UK, another for 5 years before leaving to USA.

Up at the Aegeri's is cheaper, and sunnier. More snow too. But further to get into Zug. In all, it depends what you prioritise.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Thanks for the last few opinions guys and gals.


I looked in Ober/Unterägeri also, but I found that since I need to commute to Zurich, the öv links took a bit too long, and the drive was just that little bit longer. Walchwil has a 33 minute train to Zurich HB in the morning, which times perfectly with when I have to get to work.
I have to admit, there were some great properties with lake views, but the places we saw were on Seestrasse, so I think the traffic would have been annoying.
Point taken about the fog though - any idea how high we are talking here? Would the properties further up the hill in Walchwil be above this?
Regarding relative facilities of Zug/Walchwil vs Zurich - since I am working in Zurich, I think that we'd probably still eat out there and do most of the normal stuff we do - we'd just need to keep an eye on train times. Having to take a taxi from Zug to Walchwil every once in a while after a late train should be offset by the tax savings, I suppose.
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Point taken about the fog though - any idea how high we are talking here? Would the properties further up the hill in Walchwil be above this?
I live just across the lake from Walchwil - but a bit higher up and quite often there is fog below us but we're out of it. (we're at 500m).

You'd probably only need to go 50m (vertically) or so up the hill to be out of a lot of the fog but don't buy a house base on this!

I can keep an eye on it on foggy days and let you know if you want.
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Any reason you're not considering Zug itself?
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Old 13.09.2017, 09:14
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I live just across the lake from Walchwil - but a bit higher up and quite often there is fog below us but we're out of it. (we're at 500m).

You'd probably only need to go 50m (vertically) or so up the hill to be out of a lot of the fog but don't buy a house base on this!

I can keep an eye on it on foggy days and let you know if you want.
Please do!

According to Google Maps' Elevation Tool, the Zugersee is 413m above sea level, and the place we are looking at is 475m above sea level, just about clears your 50m guide!
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Having worked in Zug for many years while living in Zürich, I can certainly attest that Zug is foggier during the winter. Not sure that's a deal breaker though. As you say, it can sometimes add a certain beauty.

I'd love the views too. Personally, I think i'd never tire of them, although every person I know that has a place with such views says that they become routine after awhile, incl one guy I know with a jaw dropping view above montreux.

Another plus is access to the Zugersee is so easy, if you want to consider swimming, or paddleboarding. Or even a boat?

Could all be amazing!

But as you know my opinion already, even with all this, it seems too far removed from city life for me to really enjoy it. Too much of a pain to come and go every day. Everyone is different however. If you think you would like it, go for it!
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

I lived in Goldau for a bit and travelled/commuted to Zurich (and the greater area) from there in the beginning, in November/fall/winter between 2002 and 2006. Also, I saw a few summers out there. The scenery with the lake and mountain view I think you will enjoy, the access to the lake(s) is even better than in Zurich as it gives you more options on where to go. The idea to get a boat is just amazing!

The noise of the traffic living in a city and compared to that area Zug/Walchwil is bearable from my pov. The fact that it's so quiet past 6 pm personally would have killed me, all the action takes place in Zurich, and I don't see myself going beyond Thalwil/Zollikon if I was looking for a (family) home. But yeah, tax crap I did not look at, so maybe I'll see it differently if I did.

But if you both have made up your mind and you're ready to "retire" it's a beautiful area. When it comes to the fog... it didn't bother me much, I found it somewhat peculiar, but I had it for a few months only.

Commuting by train is OK as long as you live close enough to/at the station or can access it by bike or even better with a scooter from the heights of your house. Walking or cycling up and down for every bit, like getting to the Volg, Walchwil station (plus changing in Zug for the train again, adds up the time to about 40 mins) and back really is not my cuppa. On the plus side it keeps you fit, but I hated it. Good luck in any case with the hunt!
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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

Walchwil is on the sunny side of the lake and the fog is bearable. You'll have amazing sunsets and gorgeous views. As you know, it's built on the side of a mountain so you'll be dealing with steep roads.

The SBB is planning on adding another track sometime in the future which will cause a closing of the line between Goldau and Zug for two years. However, this project has been repeatedly postponed due to other more pressing priorities. In fact, it may be another three - eight+ years before this project may even occur (based on a conversation I had with someone involved with the project.)

If you like the property, agree with the price and don't mind living on a hill, go for it. There are far worse places to live.
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...getting to the volg, walchwil station...
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The SBB is planning on adding another track sometime in the future which will cause a closing of the line between Goldau and Zug for two years. However, this project has been repeatedly postponed due to other more pressing priorities. In fact, it may be another three - eight+ years before this project may even occur (based on a conversation I had with someone involved with the project.)
This is my biggest concern tbh, we've researched this project and it seems for whatever reason, the SBB is determined to widen the track and add another line, so they can bring freight down there. That would be a complete disaster and half the house price in an instant.
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This is my biggest concern tbh, we've researched this project and it seems for whatever reason, the SBB is determined to widen the track and add another line, so they can bring freight down there. That would be a complete disaster and half the house price in an instant.
Is the property located next to tracks?
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Is the property located next to tracks?
Somewhat - within earshot certainly. For the S-Bahn trains, you don't even have to moderate your voice, they aren't disturbing. The hourly (currently!) "long-train" to Lugano is louder though.

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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

So is it correct to say the only reason why you wouldn't purchase the home is because of the tracks? I certainly understand your concern about this.

One thing to consider is that the technology in designing trains has decreased noise levels significantly in the past twenty years. It's a tough call, though.

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Re: Anybody live in Walchwil?

I live in Cham since about a year and to my surprise (and delight) the dreaded fog which everyone kept telling me about was nowhere to be seen. I think in this past year there were maybe 10 foggy days (since july 2016). BUT, there have been quite a few days when Zug/Walchwil were covered in fog and it was sunny in Cham...

When we moved we also looked around a bit and frankly found Cham to be a pretty good compromise. Here's some random thoughts:
- Zug
+ very good option if you have the $$$ and want to be in a city, good train connections, quite a few shopping options, lake area is great, old town likewise
- if you want a place with a view, close to lake, shopping etc it's super-expensive; commuting to e.g Rotkreuz by car is painful; highway ramps to/from ZH are super-busy at rush-hour

- Walchwil
+ very nice views, relatively easy to find a place with a view
- still quite expensive, öv to ZH not as good, commuting by car = nightmare, dead in the evening, not a lot of shopping opportunities

We found Cham to have relatively affordable housing prices even close to the lake and with view. Vilette park is awesome and there are several other beautiful places such as Röhrliberg or around Schluechthof. There are quite a few shops, lots of restaurants/bars (well, for a small city), this also helps it not be dead after dark (people hanging out at the lake, restaurants around and in the center, bars etc). The highway connections are pretty good to ZH (it takes me 25min to Bahnhofstrasse), LU (20min), Zug (10min), Arth (15min) outside of rush-hour. On the downside if you don't own a car the öv connections to ZH and LU take a bit longer and also it obviously there are less stores than Zug, though Zugerland is closer.
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