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We have a cake called something that in English could be also translated as "black woman". One of my favourites during childhood, very similar and even better than brownies. I am sure if it's not called differently yet, it will be, very soon! :=) So all the problems in this world will be solved, once we give things a different name....
I love brownies.

I love making them, too.

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We have a cake called something that in English could be also translated as "black woman". One of my favourites during childhood, very similar and even better than brownies. I am sure if it's not called differently yet, it will be, very soon! :=) So all the problems in this world will be solved, once we give things a different name....
Language changes over time, and for many different reasons. This is a natural process that's been going on since languages became a thing. Most people just accept this, because there is no point in fighting it. Fighting change is a losing battle.

Language is possibly changing even faster over the last 10-15 years, because we are the most connected we have ever been. It's more obvious now.

So good luck to everyone that wants to cling on to old words and old ways. You will need it
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Language changes over time, and for many different reasons. This is a natural process that's been going on since languages became a thing. Most people just accept this, because there is no point in fighting it. Fighting change is a losing battle.

Language is possibly changing even faster over the last 10-15 years, because we are the most connected we have ever been. It's more obvious now.

So good luck to everyone that wants to cling on to old words and old ways. You will need it
And why would you have to adapt to any trend in languages? Yes, languages change, but also: words that are trendy disappear equally fast

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Language changes over time, and for many different reasons. This is a natural process that's been going on since languages became a thing. Most people just accept this, because there is no point in fighting it. Fighting change is a losing battle.

Language is possibly changing even faster over the last 10-15 years, because we are the most connected we have ever been. It's more obvious now.

So good luck to everyone that wants to cling on to old words and old ways. You will need it
Which old ways? Not everyone comes from ex-colonial powers.....Even these days, it would be a non-issue back home. And the word literally means "black".Cake is a feminine noun in my native language, so by extension it means something black of feminine gender. Because it has a loooot of cocoa. Yummy. Don't see why brownie is less racist lol. Nah, we won't change that pretty soon. When we refer to people - it's woman of colour.

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And why would you have to adapt to any trend in languages? Yes, languages change, but also: words that are trendy disappear equally fast
I can't see any reason replacing it with something that would sound like "marroness" hehe. We even call tomatoes by their colour "reds" and we certainly don't mean the Amerindians or communists. :ROFL: Hard to explain languages when there's hardly any interest in languages.
But when I see so much "know-it-all-ism" and the vehemence to bring about unnecessary "change" it makes one wonder if people really want a change or just imposing their own rules in absolutely every situation, regardless of the context.

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Language changes over time, and for many different reasons. This is a natural process that's been going on since languages became a thing. Most people just accept this, because there is no point in fighting it. )
But this thread is about discussing words that are changing, not because of usage but because certain PC folks are demanding they be changed. So it is about artificial change, not natural change.

In other words, people who are trying to change language to live out some sort of control fetsih. They re not fighting against change. They are fighting for change on their terms and on their terms only.
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Which old ways? Not everyone comes from ex-colonial powers.....Even these days, it would be a non-issue back home. And the word literally means "black".Cake is a feminine noun in my native language, so by extension it means something black of feminine gender. Because it has a loooot of cocoa. Yummy. Don't see why brownie is less racist lol. Nah, we won't change that pretty soon. When we refer to people - it's woman of colour.
By "old ways" I mean naming commercial products after groups of people. I think this is quite rare now.

Over time I've changed my mind about how I feel about issues like this. I did feel that it's worth objecting to things like this that are considered "racist", but now the way that things have gone with everyone getting offended over everything... it just feels a bit silly.

As I said before, language changes and we can't stop it (so much English in Swiss German now...). But it just feels too forced now and too fast, almost out of fear.

If my kids want to say Mohrenkopf I'm not going to stop them. But I'm hoping that the language naturally changes so that things like this become less common over time. I have no idea about your chocolate "black woman". Maybe that won't change and maybe it doesn't need to.
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But this thread is about discussing words that are changing, not because of usage but because certain PC folks are demanding they be changed. So it is about artificial change, not natural change.

In other words, people who are trying to change language to live out some sort of control fetsih. They re not fighting against change. They are fighting for change on their terms and on their terms only.
Mohrenkopf might sound racist in German, but then maybe we shouldn't have TÍte de Moine either. I'm not fond of these sweets tbh (though I like the cheese! We should change the name because it's slightly off putting, this cheese deserves more) and I couldn't care less how they're called. If someone finds them insulting, so be it.
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But this thread is about discussing words that are changing, not because of usage but because certain PC folks are demanding they be changed. So it is about artificial change, not natural change.

In other words, people who are trying to change language to live out some sort of control fetsih. They re not fighting against change. They are fighting for change on their terms and on their terms only.
I think that I probably agreed with you in my last post. I'm not in favour of things that cause obvious offence that can be avoided, but I also don't agree with forcing change upon people and would rather the societies change these things naturally over time.

Sometimes it does feel like Swiss society drags it's heel a little though, womens vote for example
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I think that I probably agreed with you in my last post. I'm not in favour of things that cause obvious offence that can be avoided, but I also don't agree with forcing change upon people and would rather the societies change these things naturally over time.

Sometimes it does feel like Swiss society drags it's heel a little though, womens vote for example
I hope we'll reach such a level of wisdom that race won't mean anything. We're all people. I don't need to say "Ms.X - the black person"...People have names.
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My car is black. Should I refer to it as a coloured car?
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Sometimes it does feel like Swiss society drags it's heel a little though, womens vote for example
Swiss women got the vote in the same century as women in the US and UK, so where's the problem?

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Swiss women got the vote in the same century as women in the US and UK, so where's the problem?

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You're voting on behalf of your wife like in old times anyway....isn't it?
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

In related news, Python (the language) dropped most mentions of "master" and "slave" in code and documentation.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...itical_pogrom/


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In related news, Python (the language) dropped most mentions of "master" and "slave" in code and documentation.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...itical_pogrom/
Hmmm, did the sex-industry follow yet?

However, by principally eliminating vocabulary the guiltiness of what happened in the past will not be erased!
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Hmmm, did the sex-industry follow yet?

However, by principally eliminating vocabulary the guiltiness of what happened in the past will not be erased!

No, but I bet it makes SJWs feel good.
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I hope we'll reach such a level of wisdom that race won't mean anything. We're all people. I don't need to say "Ms.X - the black person"...People have names.
Yes, it shouldn't be a "thing" that needs to be mentioned, per se. On the other hand "black" can be a useful descriptor to find someone, just like "tall", "with long blonde hair" or "wearing glasses".

Years ago, my mother needed to make contact with someone in a voluntary organisation. She asked, on the phone, how she would find the man. The reply was: "Oh, when you get there, just have a look around. You Can't Miss Him!" Indeed, that helped to find him immediately, since he was the tallest and widest person present. There was no insult, hurt or offence, though, as he himself welcomed her, laughing, saying: "I'm sure they told you you can't miss me, and here I am, this is me, seemingly larger than life."
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You're voting on behalf of your wife like in old times anyway....isn't it?
Not really.

In old times, the wife would decide and the husband do the dirty work.

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In related news, Python (the language) dropped most mentions of "master" and "slave" in code and documentation.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...itical_pogrom/
By the same logic we should get rid of the word "gun" because someone's loved one has been killed by one so they may now be offended by the word. Likewise with car, fire, water, desert, knife, ocean, etc pp.

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In related news, Python (the language) dropped most mentions of "master" and "slave" in code and documentation.
Are brake manufacturers next?

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Are brake manufacturers next?

Tom

Redis, apparently:


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0..._master_slave/


As El Reg duly notes, MySQL still has Master-Slave Replication.


I wonder if MariaDB will start replacing that.
Which would offer a welcome reason to finally do the switch to Percona.
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