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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

Hello Pather et al.,

I too am interested in this subject, as I am a non-European about to relocate to Switzerland with my family.

I did a quick Google search and came across the following book 'Not So Plain as Black and White: Afro-German Culture and History 1890-2000.' The book notes the same negative use of "black" and "negro" within German linguistics, as you have Pather. Confirming the idea that racist ideology has seeped into German/Swiss everyday language.

https://books.google.com/books?id=4K...20song&f=false

While I understand that people may use language that stems from historically racist ideology, without consciously having any racist intent, and thus must not be harshly judged for their statements, I do believe that such people should listen with a kind and open heart when someone tells them such language is offensive.

Perhaps, your questions will encourage your village to be more thoughtful in their speech.

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I was thinking about the people, not the packaging (which as I mentioned, had changed).

Everyone calls them Mohrenkopfs here - even my kids (who are Swiss-German). I said that I didn't like the term.
And in the Netherlands everybody call's them Negerzoenen (negro kisses) the fact that a manufacturer puts another name on it does absolutely not state that the people themselves go-along with such sensitivity, and i have no reason to believe this will be different in other countries.

Now if you don't mind me, I'll grab a Jewcookie, and tomorrow have White Vla as dessert and if I have meat I might open the jar of Zigeunersauce. Next time in the Netherlands I'll buy a bag of Jewfat, and get an Eskimo icecream. (And nope, this ain't a joke)
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

I must admit, at my daughter's birthday party she said she wanted to play 'who's afraid of the black man' and I told her very clearly that it was racist and she shouldn't say that. She played 'it' instead. Some parents looked shocked like they never associated it with being afraid of black men, one smiled and nodded at me..... who happened not to be white.
I also never knew until I was in my teens that in einy meany miney mo, it was not always a rabbit you caught by the toe. Just because it's old, does not mean it's not racist.
But the walnutless whips are not as racist as they used to be.
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I also never knew until I was in my teens that in einy meany miney mo, that it was not always a rabbit you caught by the toe. Just because it's old, does not mean it's not racist.
If you say "rabbit" instead of "n*****", then it isn't racist.

Simple.
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If you say "rabbit" instead of "nigger", then it isn't racist.

Simple.
Exactly, if you play 'it' rather than 'who's afraid of the black man' it's not racist. Changing the terminology can change the racism level. It might happen with walnutless whips in CH.
If you eat a party kiss rather than a n-word kiss it's not racist. Moor-head is in between in my mind, because it does look a bit like a head scarf like arabs wear....
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Simple.
I always thought it was Tigger, as in "The wonderful thing about Tiggers, is Tiggers are wonderful things."

There's also this from NZ... http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2348...tay-maker-says
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

Interesting thread. Have eaten my share of these, was taught 50 years ago (southern Germany, not Switzerland) that the name derived from the 1680's when European / Catholic kingdoms were in battles at Budapest and Vienna to repulse the Ottoman Empire. Apparently the dessert was likened to the dark haired, bearded decapitated heads of Saracens or Moors killed in battle. It didn't necessarily mean ethnicity, since Moors could be north African or Spanish Arab, eastern African, or even janissary (captured Christian slaves from Greece and Bulgaria trained as soldiers)

On a related note, was also taught that bread in the cresent-shape of the Ottoman flag (croissants) were invented in the same time period, commemorating how early-rising bakers in Vienna raised the alarm to rebuff a nighttime underground attack by the Ottoman forces.

Can't vouch for accuracy of above - who knows if it's historical or just legend? After all, I also was taught that storks deliver babies, rabbits carry coloured eggs, and Christkindl was a very dependable source of gifts and candies.
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I knew them as mohrenkopf or negerkuss since before I even knew what a "mohr" was. Even now I'd relate the word "mohr" more to "mohrenkopf' than to an African-American person. And this is the first I hear about these fine calory-bombs should be racist. Never made that connection. I think, it's innocent, but then I'm learning something new every day
I take it that in countries that didn't have colonies and black slaves it wasn't necessarily associated with negative things.
It's a very sensitive issue in some places and people don't even blink an eye in others. Context is everything.

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That name was changed in 1992, in french from tête de nègre to tête de choco. In the french part of Switzerland it caught on and I was always surprised and not so happy to see that Swiss Germans didn't change their ways.
Now that you mentioned I gave a second thought to the way that cheese is called, you know - the Tête de Moine....and I think it's gross. It smells like unwashed feet and people even shred it themselves. Yuck.

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I take it that in countries that didn't have colonies and black slaves it wasn't necessarily associated with negative things.
It's a very sensitive issue in some places and people don't even blink an eye in others. Context is everything.
not so sure. my own experience is with Holland. this is a colony with a full colonial past.
also, countries that never had slavery in the (very) past, probably don't exist.
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Am I still allowed to order a zigeunerschnitzel? I could order an untouchable schnitzel but how would I eat it
I suppose you could order a Cinto-Ethnischer-Minderheit-aus-der-Gruppe-der-Sinti-und-Roma Schnitzel with chips red/white and a salad. Easy on the Ketschap.
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not so sure. my own experience is with Holland. this is a colony with a full colonial past.
also, countries that never had slavery in the (very) past, probably don't exist.
Hmm, old names hard to get out of the common use then.


OP,

It's a word. Actually a name of a candy. Don't give it too much power, I think other people might even relish your outrage.
There will be some who will always agree with linguistic cosmetics and always agree with you, but also a lot of people who will just not get your issue.
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It's a word. Actually a name of a candy.
Actually, it's not a candy.

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Actually, it's not a candy.

Tom
Right. What's the English name for this?

Chocolate coated marshmallow?
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Right. What's the English name for this?

Chocolate coated marshmallow?
No, as the filling is not marshmallow in the English sense. It's more like oversweet whipped cream. I'm not sure there's an English equivalent.
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I always thought it was Tigger, as in "The wonderful thing about Tiggers, is Tiggers are wonderful things."
It was always 'baby' in our house.
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Chocolate-covered Fluff!

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Chocolate coated marshmallow?
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No, as the filling is not marshmallow in the English sense. It's more like oversweet whipped cream. I'm not sure there's an English equivalent.
They were always called chocolate teacakes when I was a kid.

http://www.tunnock.co.uk/products/teacakes/
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They were always called chocolate teacakes when I was a kid.

http://www.tunnock.co.uk/products/teacakes/
That does look about the same. The marshmallowy one that I grew up with was this (below).

Here's another type of Mohrenkopf altogether!
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I knew them as mohrenkopf or negerkuss since before I even knew what a "mohr" was. Even now I'd relate the word "mohr" more to "mohrenkopf' than to an African-American person. And this is the first I hear about these fine calory-bombs should be racist. Never made that connection. I think, it's innocent, but then I'm learning something new every day
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I must admit, at my daughter's birthday party she said she wanted to play 'who's afraid of the black man' and I told her very clearly that it was racist and she shouldn't say that. She played 'it' instead. Some parents looked shocked like they never associated it with being afraid of black men, one smiled and nodded at me..... who happened not to be white.
I also never knew until I was in my teens that in einy meany miney mo, it was not always a rabbit you caught by the toe. Just because it's old, does not mean it's not racist.
But the walnutless whips are not as racist as they used to be.
I think these two posts sum it up. It is politically incorrect, with racist connotations, but the Swiss (bless their little cotton socks) are still naive enough to not really get the link, even in this day and age, until someone explains it to them slowly and carefully. That does not, however, make them racists.

In fact it's one of the things I love dearly about the Swiss, this cultural and racial naivety that against all odds still exists in a central European western society. They still have time to change in sensible ways, unlike the rest of Europe and indeed the world where political correctness has already warped and twisted our ideals of cultural and racial normality to beyond the paranoia barriers.

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They were always called chocolate teacakes when I was a kid.

http://www.tunnock.co.uk/products/teacakes/
I always thought that the English have some oatmeal biscuits (cookies? I'll never get this right) with their tea...
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