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My grandmum gave me a pack of mini ones, and I noticed they’ve been past the date for almost a month. I’m trying to decide if I can still eat them without problems
They'll be fine after one month. They'd probably be okay to eat after a year but may not taste so good.
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

THe boss of the Mohronkopf factory -Herr Dubler could easily change the name. But he refuses. A hard headed stubborn Schweizer!
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THe boss of the Mohronkopf factory -Herr Dubler could easily change the name. But he refuses. A hard headed stubborn Schweizer!
I wonder if Schwarzkopf considered changing their name and their logo.


My feeling is that many people, particularly from the older generations, are very reluctant to embrace every bit of what (to them) looks like an Anglo-Saxon "cultural revolution" i.e. importing models and patterns of solving social issues that are very different to each culture or country. Mind, I'm not saying I agree with this, just trying to explain to myself this particular resistance.
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I wonder if Schwarzkopf considered changing their name and their logo.

My feeling is that many people, particularly from the older generations, are very reluctant to embrace every bit of what (to them) looks like an Anglo-Saxon "cultural revolution" i.e. importing models and patterns of solving social issues that are very different to each culture or country. Mind, I'm not saying I agree with this, just trying to explain to myself this particular resistance.
Schwarzkopf may be a bit different, in that the company is named after the person who founded it (Hans Schwarzkopf). Also as best I can tell, they never used a caricature of a black person as their image/logo. It's always been a profile of an androgynous person, and the entire image is black.

I think you might be right though, in that older generations don't see how changing a name like Mohrenkopf fixes/changes anything. These same people probably also don't see how taking down a statue changes anything.

To me, the point is not to change the past. It's to acknowledge mistakes and past prejudices, and move forward in a more informed, respectful way.
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Schwarzkopf may be a bit different, in that the company is named after the person who founded it (Hans Schwarzkopf). Also as best I can tell, they never used a caricature of a black person as their image/logo. It's always been a profile of an androgynous person, and the entire image is black.

I think you might be right though, in that older generations don't see how changing a name like Mohrenkopf fixes/changes anything. These same people probably also don't see how taking down a statue changes anything.

To me, the point is not to change the past. It's to acknowledge mistakes and past prejudices, and move forward in a more informed, respectful way.
The IS also went on a rampage of destruction of any past symbols. It gives some momentary sense of power but changes nothing


When the topic of the Moorish influence in Europe is being discussed, one of the first questions that arise is, what race were they?

As early as the Middle Ages, “Moors were commonly viewed as being mostly black or very swarthy, and hence the word is often used for negro,” according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Author and historian Chancellor Williams said “the original Moors, like the original Egyptians, were black Africans.”

The 16th century English playwright William Shakespeare used the word Moor as a synonym for African. His contemporary Christopher Marlowe also used African and Moor interchangeably.

Arab writers further buttress the black identity of the Moors. The powerful Moorish Emperor Yusuf ben-Tachfin is described by an Arab chronicler as “a brown man with wooly hair.”

Black soldiers, specifically identified as Moors, were actively recruited by Rome, and served in Britain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. St. Maurice, patron saint of medieval Europe, was only one of many black soldiers and officers under the employ of the Roman Empire.

Although generations of Spanish rulers have tried to expunge this era from the historical record, recent archeaology and scholarship now shed fresh light on the Moors who flourished in Al-Andalus for more than 700 years — from 711 A.D. until 1492. The Moorish advances in mathematics, astronomy, art, and agriculture helped propel Europe out of the Dark Ages and into the Renaissance.

Source: Stewartsynopsis.com/moors_in_europe.htm

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Here you can eat Mohronkopf to your hearts desire!

https://www.mohrenkopf.info/de/daily-specials
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Here you can eat Mohronkopf to your hearts desire!

https://www.mohrenkopf.info/de/daily-specials
It actually looks nice....
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I'm still not convinced that the name conveys an intention to offend, rather than just a name that was applied in naive innocence at a time that people had other worries.

I wonder how many other names may at their root, if you dig deep enough, be offensive. Many names, be they brands, or place names, or surnames even, we accept at face value without thinking where they come from or what they may mean, or have meant in the past. Or could mean if analysed with a certain intent.

Let us take the Starbucks logo for example. An awkwardly styled mermaid, probably hailing to the days that coffee came by ship, and thus representing the figurehead of a sailing ship. Now if you consider the trade triangle, the same ship that brought us coffee would on another leg of its triangular round trip have been a slave ship. That thing on your disposable coffee cup is the figurehead of a slave ship.

Where is the outrage?

One point that is spectacularly missed is that cacao beans are harvested,predominantly in West Africa by children working under terrible conditions and for a pittance.
The faux outrage directed at the producers of Mohrenkopf would be far better directed at the chocolate companies who profit from this child labour.
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Schwarzkopf may be a bit different, in that the company is named after the person who founded it (Hans Schwarzkopf).....
This! Thanks for mentioning this. Not a bit different - completely out of line. Should people change their names now?! Been there .....

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https://www.mohrenkopf.info/de/daily-specials
<<Mohronkopf>> Interesting name. Can't be a typo, the e is nowhere near the o on a keyboard.

Are those redish ones strawberry chocolate?
I discovered strawberry chocolate from Läderach when everybody went all upset here and my neighbour brought me their product, so I would know what was to be boycotted. I could eat this all day.

Interesting how a person who hardly eats sweets is all nuts about politically incorrect ones.
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Re Fawlty Towers and the Germans episode - colleague of my husband's is German and thinks it's hilarious, he has it on DVD.
The authors of said episode obviously went out of their way to make the Germans as reasonable and as pleasant as possible . Nothing annoying about them at all, however slight . All the idiocy is coming from Basil Fawlty. In many other episodes Basil gets to interact with people who are not exactly nice people , so there is plenty more scope for comedy. If anything, I find the Germans episode to be weak because the scriptwriters were trying to be too politically correct and maybe missed out on some good laughs because of this .

So we get the episode that is maybe most PC to be the first to be sanctioned ?
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This! Thanks for mentioning this. Not a bit different - completely out of line. Should people change their names now?! Been there .....
Well, that was the point I was (kinda of) trying to make too.....

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<<Mohronkopf>> Interesting name. Can't be a typo, the e is nowhere near the o on a keyboard.
Absolutely not a typo, omtatsat can be very intentional lol.

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Yes.
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This! Thanks for mentioning this. Not a bit different - completely out of line. Should people change their names now?! Been there .....


<<Mohronkopf>> Interesting name. Can't be a typo, the e is nowhere near the o on a keyboard.

Are those redish ones strawberry chocolate?
I discovered strawberry chocolate from Läderach when everybody went all upset here and my neighbour brought me their product, so I would know what was to be boycotted. I could eat this all day.

Interesting how a person who hardly eats sweets is all nuts about politically incorrect ones.
Be more nuts, they had to let 27 employees go. Saw it on the news cca a month ago.
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The authors of said episode obviously went out of their way to make the Germans as reasonable and as pleasant as possible . Nothing annoying about them at all, however slight . All the idiocy is coming from Basil Fawlty. In many other episodes Basil gets to interact with people who are not exactly nice people , so there is plenty more scope for comedy. If anything, I find the Germans episode to be weak because the scriptwriters were trying to be too politically correct and maybe missed out on some good laughs because of this .

So we get the episode that is maybe most PC to be the first to be sanctioned ?
Actually the (original) issue with this episode was the Major talking about the West Indies cricket team and not Fawlty's view of the Germans. Back in 2013 that section was edited out for re-showing purposes by the BBC and some other broadcasters but was still kept in for the UKTV & Netflix content.
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Actually the (original) issue with this episode was the Major talking about the West Indies cricket team and not Fawlty's view of the Germans. Back in 2013 that section was edited out for re-showing purposes by the BBC and some other broadcasters but was still kept in for the UKTV & Netflix content.
Nothing funnier than people getting outraged at people getting outraged...then finding out the thing they thought they should be outraged about wasn't even the thing the original people were outraged about.

In said episode, the Major drops a few n-bombs about the Windies Cricket Team - still think it is an issue it was pulled?
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This! Thanks for mentioning this. Not a bit different - completely out of line. Should people change their names now?! Been there .....


<<Mohronkopf>> Interesting name. Can't be a typo, the e is nowhere near the o on a keyboard.

Are those redish ones strawberry chocolate?
I discovered strawberry chocolate from Läderach when everybody went all upset here and my neighbour brought me their product, so I would know what was to be boycotted. I could eat this all day.

Interesting how a person who hardly eats sweets is all nuts about politically incorrect ones.
My left hand never knows what my right hand is doing

The Germans got the name " square heads " in honour of the shape of their head
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........Yes.
Well, I really like the Sprüngli Salzgebäck (on this picture they don't look very appealing though ) and their ham- oder egg Laugengipfeli for Fr. 5.50 a bite. Used to love their Luxemburgerli until it became cool to bring them along to anywhere and they kind of lost being special.

So, who is volunteering to dig up the dirt on Sprüngli? I am absolutely sure there is some.
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Well, I really like the Sprüngli Salzgebäck (on this picture they don't look very appealing though ) and their ham- oder egg Laugengipfeli for Fr. 5.50 a bite. Used to love their Luxemburgerli until it became cool to bring them along to anywhere and they kind of lost being special.

So, who is volunteering to dig up the dirt on Sprüngli? I am absolutely sure there is some.
Salzgebäck is really unhealthy because of the salt content. Its murder on the kidneys
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Well, I really like the Sprüngli Salzgebäck (on this picture they don't look very appealing though ) and their ham- oder egg Laugengipfeli for Fr. 5.50 a bite. Used to love their Luxemburgerli until it became cool to bring them along to anywhere and they kind of lost being special.

So, who is volunteering to dig up the dirt on Sprüngli? I am absolutely sure there is some.
I love Luxemburgerli but I am too stingy and selfish to bring them anywhere along.... I have a Spruengli relatively close... wish there wasn't any. They are not the cheapest and some of their pralines are superb. Besides - I wouldn't waste them on children, kids can eat cheaper stuff. And they're not even very appreciative with the fancy stuff, at least not mine.
(in fact, the Swiss I know would be uncomfortable if I bring along anything considered expensive, either for them or for kids)

Btw, shouldn't they be called Macarons?

As for Sprungli Salzgeback, yes, they're tasty. When I'm in a rush and have to bring something along (and couldn't bake anything) - it's this. Or at least this sort of things.

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I love Luxemburgerli but I am too stingy and selfish to bring them anywhere along....
They are actually quite easy to make - and quick if you stick with one flavour and one filling.
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Well, I really like the Sprüngli Salzgebäck (on this picture they don't look very appealing though ) and their ham- oder egg Laugengipfeli for Fr. 5.50 a bite. Used to love their Luxemburgerli until it became cool to bring them along to anywhere and they kind of lost being special.

So, who is volunteering to dig up the dirt on Sprüngli? I am absolutely sure there is some.
I have been assured that Sprungli have no chocolate made from cacao beans from West Africa...the Ivory Coast is the worlds biggest cacao producer and is also notorious for child labor.
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