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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

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When it comes to discriminatory terms, "tradition" is always a weak argument.
Talk to a born and bred Swiss about this and may find that they won't budge an inch on this. Many refuse to look at it as racist since most of them don't even know what "Mohren" means.

By the way, our local cookies are called
1. Schenkeli (thighs)
2. Totenbeinli (bones of the dead)
3. Meitlibeine (girl's legs)
4. Schlürfeli .... here I'll just say google it and you'll be quite surprised

So there are other delicacies that could be renamed not only because of racism but because of sexism too!
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Talk to a born and bred Swiss about this and may find that they won't budge an inch on this. Many refuse to look at it as racist since most of them don't even know what "Mohren" means.

By the way, our local cookies are called
1. Schenkeli (thighs)
2. Totenbeinli (bones of the dead)
3. Meitlibeine (girl's legs)
4. Schlürfeli .... here I'll just say google it and you'll be quite surprised

So there are other delicacies that could be renamed not only because of racism but because of sexism too!
Migros knows 3 artists who can fix this, phew!
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Old 19.06.2020, 09:07
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Talk to a born and bred Swiss about this and may find that they won't budge an inch on this. Many refuse to look at it as racist...
I think you are confusing "being stubborn" and "being right". One can very well be wrong and stubborn, so well exhibited by your post
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

And to be sure to be right, what about John Cleese advice ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4 ?
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

Q: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?
A: Yes.
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

I just had some chocolate biscuits "Petits fours creme de chocolat" from Kambly. Delicious. There are other Swiss companies we should turn our attention to.
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Q: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?
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Q: Can an inanimate piece of candy (eww) be inherently racist?
A: No
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

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Yes it can, as a symbol. It was written about by Rose Wettstein very eloquently here: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-we-mus...cist-/45847188


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https://www.edi.admin.ch/dam/edi/en/...EN%20FINAL.pdf

"The term ‘racism’ also encompasses an unintentional or even unconscious hierarchical vision of population groups that is not necessarily based on ideology, but nevertheless leaves its mark on social structures, institutions and dynamics and gives rise to power relations, exclusions and privileges."



I was particularly moved by this:


"Recently, you may have seen an infographic on social media that illustrates racism as an iceberg. Racial slurs, racist jokes and hate crimes, among other extreme offenses, are at the tip of it – overt forms of racism that are clearly socially unacceptable. Underneath the surface lies a larger mass of socially acceptable forms of covert racism. Examples include being silent, eurocentrism, and racist mascots and costumes. These forms of racism are, in fact, so acceptable that individuals with no intent to be racist will passionately argue these are not forms of racism. These “acceptable” (and often unintentional) forms of racism serve to maintain the status quo of a system that favours some people or groups, but not others. "
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Old 19.06.2020, 15:22
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I just had some chocolate biscuits "Petits fours creme de chocolat" from Kambly. Delicious. There are other Swiss companies we should turn our attention to.

Läderach?
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Yeah absolutely, we should discuss restaurant and street/village names next.
Let's stop any legislation until this highly important matter is resolved.

Thank god we have no other problems in this country.
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Yeah absolutely, we should discuss restaurant and street/village names next.
Let's stop any legislation until this highly important matter is resolved.

Thank god we have no other problems in this country.

Sure. There is nothing wrong with discussions
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Old 19.06.2020, 15:30
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Let's stop any legislation until this highly important matter is resolved.
Classical fallacy in which no problem gets ever resolved because there are always other, more important problems. It's just a stupid name, even if it was not racist, which it is, it's not a bad idea to change it for the sake of common sense.
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Läderach?


No.

I was thinking of positive attention.

I'm not sure they can get that on EF.
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Old 19.06.2020, 15:34
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I was thinking of positive attention.

I'm not sure they can get that on EF.
I don't think anyone gets positive attention on EF. I mean, this is what this forum is all about right?
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Yes it can, as a symbol. It was written about by Rose Wettstein very eloquently here: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-we-mus...cist-/45847188


She refers to:


https://www.edi.admin.ch/dam/edi/en/...EN%20FINAL.pdf

"The term ‘racism’ also encompasses an unintentional or even unconscious hierarchical vision of population groups that is not necessarily based on ideology, but nevertheless leaves its mark on social structures, institutions and dynamics and gives rise to power relations, exclusions and privileges."



I was particularly moved by this:


"Recently, you may have seen an infographic on social media that illustrates racism as an iceberg. Racial slurs, racist jokes and hate crimes, among other extreme offenses, are at the tip of it – overt forms of racism that are clearly socially unacceptable. Underneath the surface lies a larger mass of socially acceptable forms of covert racism. Examples include being silent, eurocentrism, and racist mascots and costumes. These forms of racism are, in fact, so acceptable that individuals with no intent to be racist will passionately argue these are not forms of racism. These “acceptable” (and often unintentional) forms of racism serve to maintain the status quo of a system that favours some people or groups, but not others. "
While I agree with Rose Wettstein points, I think this whole discussion does more harm than good and will lead to more swiss having negative feelings towards anti-racism actions/legislation.
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Yes it can, as a symbol. It was written about by Rose Wettstein very eloquently here: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-we-mus...cist-/45847188


She refers to:


https://www.edi.admin.ch/dam/edi/en/...EN%20FINAL.pdf

"The term ‘racism’ also encompasses an unintentional or even unconscious hierarchical vision of population groups that is not necessarily based on ideology, but nevertheless leaves its mark on social structures, institutions and dynamics and gives rise to power relations, exclusions and privileges."



I was particularly moved by this:


"Recently, you may have seen an infographic on social media that illustrates racism as an iceberg. Racial slurs, racist jokes and hate crimes, among other extreme offenses, are at the tip of it – overt forms of racism that are clearly socially unacceptable. Underneath the surface lies a larger mass of socially acceptable forms of covert racism. Examples include being silent, eurocentrism, and racist mascots and costumes. These forms of racism are, in fact, so acceptable that individuals with no intent to be racist will passionately argue these are not forms of racism. These “acceptable” (and often unintentional) forms of racism serve to maintain the status quo of a system that favours some people or groups, but not others. "
I think you've had a severe whoosh there.

Of course an inanimate object cannot, of itself, be racist. A group of logs shaped into a cross or a swastika has no inherent feeling of holiness or naziness.

Sure, the people that created it, or the idea it represents can certainly be racist, but the candy itself can never be ascribed those anthropomorphic qualities.
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I don't think anyone gets positive attention on EF. I mean, this is what this forum is all about right?
You nailed it.
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Old 19.06.2020, 15:44
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You nailed it.
Like a nail in a Mohrenkopf!





p.s. hopefully that will help some people realize why Mohrenkopf is racist.
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Q: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?
A: Yes.
The black pieces of candy come out at night and fight the white pieces of candy. Time to end this all.
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Like a nail in a Mohrenkopf!





p.s. hopefully that will help some people realize why Mohrenkopf is racist.
WTF, do you want to kill some children? like a razor in a cervelat for dogs.

That was my first thought. It took some time until I understood what you meant.
As if a swiss person had a different construct/perception of Mohrenkopf
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