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It doesn't really make much sense to me for newcomers to try to say what is offensive to the locals.
This thread restarted because Migros removed the Mohrenkopf-named biscuits from their shelves and someone mentioned that in a post.

Are Migros newcomers? Hardly. It's a Cooperative made up of locals.

What people write on this forum is neither here nor there. People can choose whether to post or read on the forum or ignore it. Any 'locals' on this board are here because they choose to be.
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This thread restarted because Migros removed the Mohrenkopf-named biscuits from their shelves and someone mentioned that in a post.

Are Migros newcomers? Hardly. It's a Cooperative made up of locals.

What people write on this forum is neither here nor there. People can choose whether to post or read on the forum or ignore it. Any 'locals' on this board are here because they choose to be.
It’s an attempt to shut down the dialogue by suggesting newcomers’ opinions are invalid. A sad attempt at mobbing.
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Kids are not not being called Mohrenkopf because kids have no idea what it really means. Do you have kids? As far as my experiences go they have no idea those sweets are more than just sweets. Not even OP actually implied that. I think the racism some kids exhibit here (and towards OP's child) has other explanations/roots.

I'd take that very seriously and discuss it openly with teachers, the school's director etc and not necessarily start a thread on EF which will likely make the brand even more popular (see how adverse psychology functioned in Laderach's case). I have friends whose children are in very diverse schools and are picked on by other (foreign) kids for being....foreign. The more they are from a national group, the more mean and rude they are towards "outsiders". Yeah, this is a reason we pay a damn high amount with housing... to avoid these "experiences". Kids can be very cruel. If it's not one's skin colour they find something else to torment their victims. A bit like some "adults" on EF. Fortunately most people are nice and relatively well educated irl.

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You shouldn't leave things where they are....with your daughter I mean. Track down the little shites that tormented your daughter like that and talk with their parents, with the school, social worker assigned to the school, propose an anti-bullying and anti-racism policy and make sure you're listened to and heard.
Go to the next level of management/decision if necessary.
Please don't do the old "do you have kids" routine. I do not need to have kids to understand kids and I have a huge extended family full of them. I kow plenty of people who have kids who don't 'understand' kids from a psychological perspective, it's hardly an innate ability of every parent and it's only in recent times that parents are putting extra effort into those aspects of raising children.

I was a little kid once (crazy, I know) in a very multi-cutural but poor part of Britain and I remember well the racial slurs we used to casually throw around without really knowing what they meant, but at the same time knowing in the back of our minds that there was something to them. We didn't know we were being racist, but we were, like almost all kids, trying to be mean so the end result was the same. Whether it was rhymes, songs, names, sweets (Blackjacks, which were a sweet popular at the time, had a picture of a thick-red-lipped black person on them, known to us then as a gollywog) or whatever... the point is that those product names and branding ARE completely avoidable and shoud not be allowed to influence people of any age.
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This thread restarted because Migros removed the Mohrenkopf-named biscuits from their shelves and someone mentioned that in a post.

Are Migros newcomers? Hardly. It's a Cooperative made up of locals.

What people write on this forum is neither here nor there. People can choose whether to post or read on the forum or ignore it. Any 'locals' on this board are here because they choose to be.
I'm part of it. I can vote. Migros is a tad more democratic than some people might think.

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Please don't do the old "do you have kids" routine. I do not need to have kids to understand kids and I have a huge extended family full of them..
I won't, chuff....not with you. My point was the name of these sweets is not used against other kids in that way. (not in my experience)
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Old 20.06.2020, 08:11
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I'm part of it. I can vote. Migros is a tad more democratic than some people might think.
I did say it was a Cooperative.

Did you vote on this issue? Do you decide what products do, or do not on the shelves?

What sort of issues do you vote on?
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I did say it was a Cooperative.

Did you vote on this issue? Do you decide what products do, or do not on the shelves?
No and no. You mentioned "locals" and some people don't believe "locals" can actually mean any of us. It was more a point I wanted to make on this issue.
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Old 20.06.2020, 08:20
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No and no. You mentioned "locals" and some people don't believe "locals" can actually mean any of us. It was more a point I wanted to make on this issue.
You are right there. I didn't use the term 'newcomer.' A local is someone who lives here. You fit that bill.

I don't know what MC's definition of 'newcomer' is.
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My point was the name of these sweets is not used against other kids in that way. (not in my experience)
Well GM, people in this thread have said they have heard that it was used against kids and lets face it... is that unbelievable given what we know about this candy and how it IS UNEQUIVOCALLY causing a racism storm in CH at the moment? No, not at all. Kids hear it from adults and they repeat it, or they just randomly figure out the similarities for themselves and start using it. If there's one thing you can rely on young kids for, it is saying the cruellest things without any real comprehension of the morality behind it.
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The sweet is not racist. The people using and defending the name are.
How about the people who eat it and don't care what it's called?

If anyone, I see maybe them being defended here. Nobody else.
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You are right there. I didn't use the term 'newcomer.' A local is someone who lives here. You fit that bill.

I don't know what MC's definition of 'newcomer' is.
She probably doesn’t even know herself what her definition of ‘newcomer’ is, she adapts her definitions to suit her narrative.
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How about the people who eat it and don't care what it's called?

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I think the point is that the majority here do care what it is called - and they want to keep the original name.

This has been mentioned a few posts up.

Anyway, if people do not care what it is called and eat it anyway - why do they need defending?
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How about the people who eat it and don't care what it's called?

If anyone, I see maybe them being defended here. Nobody else.
Well they don’t care if it’s called something not racist then. Happy days, we have a solution.
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I think the point is that the majority here do care what it is called - and they want to keep the original name.

This has been mentioned a few posts up.

Anyway, if people do not care what it is called and eat it anyway - why do they need defending?
Because for most people, the word doesn't have a racist connotation and is simply the original name of the candy. Whether the original name is racist or not is debatable and I've yet to hear the word being used toward another person. This obviously can and probably will change now, since kids will pick it up from the recent commotion in the media and in turn use it inappropriately. Which is precisely the opposite effect of banning the name in the first place.
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Because for most people, the word doesn't have a racist connotation and is simply the original name of the candy. Whether the original name is racist or not is debatable and I've yet to hear the word being used toward another person. This obviously can and probably will change now, since kids will pick it up from the recent commotion in the media and in turn use it inappropriately. Which is precisely the opposite effect of banning the name in the first place.
It is not the original name of the candy. That one was even more racist.
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What was the original name of it?
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What was the original name of it?
And get you deleting my post for “hate speech” again? Good try.
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What was the original name of it?
From wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocol...ecific%20names.

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The original colloquial names were Mohrenkopf ("Moor's Head") or Negerkuss ("Negro's Kiss"), but most companies changed the product-name to a more neutral Schokoküsse or Schokokuss ("Chocolate Kiss"), Schaumküsse or Schaumkuss ("Foam Kiss") or to brand-specific names.

In German-speaking Switzerland they are still sold as Mohrenkopf.[39][40] In the French-speaking part of Switzerland as well as France they are known as Têtes Choco ("chocolate heads"), or and more commonly as Tête-de-nègre in France.[41]
Seems other countries have been a bit quicker than CH (as is often the case) to recognise and change the racial connotations...
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From wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocol...ecific%20names.



Seems other countries have been a bit quicker than CH (as is often the case) to recognise and change the racial connotations...
I find it astounding anyone could be in this thread proffering opinions without knowing this stuff.
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From wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocol...ecific%20names.



Seems other countries have been a bit quicker than CH (as is often the case) to recognise and change the racial connotations...
Apparently, in Switzerland it was called Mohrenkopf from the beginning and was derived as a politically correct version from the German direct translation of the original French name.
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Apparently, in Switzerland it was called Mohrenkopf from the beginning and was derived as a politically correct version from the German direct translation of the original French name.
I assume that the "politically correct" name of "Mohrenkopf" was in line with the ways of thinking at the time as opposed to the political andscape nowadays.
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