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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

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And what do you think?
I've listened to both sides but I personally think Dubler is a Dubel for not changing the name. His present sales have proved him right, however.
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Fact: if they bother to read the press - they do all do now.
They may know the reproach. That just doesn't make it true.

If a non-Anglo-Saxon claimed that nigger isn't racist, would that make it true? That is you folks in a nutshell, obviously with inverted assertions WRT racism.
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Old 21.06.2020, 09:22
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

31 pages required to get a basic point across?

Any word that depicts the suffering of any people should not appear on a product.
Any word that depicts suffering cannot be spoken of lightly and compared to other words that do not have the same connotation.

It’s not rocket science, just decency.
We cannot rewrite or clean up history, we can change the approach going forward.

Some of the insidious arguments in this thread (and support of) under the pretense of debate are just unacceptable.
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Old 21.06.2020, 09:52
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31 pages required to get a basic point across?

Any word that depicts the suffering of any people should not appear on a product.
Any word that depicts suffering cannot be spoken of lightly and compared to other words that do not have the same connotation.

It’s not rocket science, just decency.
We cannot rewrite or clean up history, we can change the approach going forward.

Some of the insidious arguments in this thread (and support of) under the pretense of debate are just unacceptable.
Nicely put, Sky. Topics like this are basically like a character test. If you are expending a lot of effort to argue against a sweet, with clear negative racial connotations to people of colour, being renamed, then you have inarguably failed that test.

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Not sure why you groaned my St2lemans - Mohrenkopf has got sweet f**k all to do with your childhood - that's more Twinkie cakes and Hersheys.
Why would you even waste one second worrying about what s2tlemans groans at? We all know he has no moral fibre, compassion or even common sense whatsoever. If he groans at you, then you generally know that you are speaking sense. Treat it like a thanks from a normal person.

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Tom,

I've had this discussion with many locals and most look at it as a storm in a teacup.
The old white Swiss you know don't understand the big deal about this? Really?
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Old 21.06.2020, 10:46
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The old white Swiss you know don't understand the big deal about this? Really?
Why is that so surprising?
Older Swiss people are no different from the older generations in other countries, this is how it’s always been so why should we change it is a sentiment shared by older people everywhere.
Not all of them, obviously, but significant numbers of them nevertheless.
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Old 21.06.2020, 11:30
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Why is that so surprising?
Older Swiss people are no different from the older generations in other countries, this is how it’s always been so why should we change it is a sentiment shared by older people everywhere.
Not all of them, obviously, but significant numbers of them nevertheless.
True to a certain extent.

Old people are old, from a different generation. They're old but they are not stupid.

Most know full well that aspects of life that were acceptable when they were younger are no longer acceptable now. They know this but they chose to be stubborn and dismiss any criticism as was put by one of these older members of this forum as " a storm in a tea cup".

As I said, they're not stupid. They know what they are doing.

The car park at the Dubler factory has been full of cars from these people from many different Kantons, buying large quantities of Mohrenköpfe to show their support. This in itself is an extremely childish gesture - as was the man who blacked-up at his stall selling them.
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Old 21.06.2020, 11:36
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Not sure why you groaned my St2lemans - Mohrenkopf has got sweet f**k all to do with your childhood - that's more Twinkie cakes and Hersheys.
None of those have anything to do with my childhood, don't even like any of them, but it does with my wife and friends' childhood.

Also, the Italian name for "Mohernkopf", "moretti", is also a common family name. Should everyone with that surname change it?

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Old 21.06.2020, 11:46
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None of those have anything to do with my childhood, don't even like any of them, but it does with my wife and friends' childhood.

Also, the Italian name for "Mohernkopf", "moretti", is also a common family name. Should everyone with that surname change it?

Tom
You mean like Schwartz? Or Černý? Or Brown?
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Old 21.06.2020, 11:51
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

Or rename songs:

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Old 21.06.2020, 12:23
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Or rename songs

Tom
This really is too complicated for you, isn't it?

You can't change or undo the past - only changes in the present can be made.
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

It is so sad, absurd, and utterly incomprehensible that the very specific point of this thread regarding the word «mohrenkopf» is being disrepected and disregarded.

What does this say?

Disgusted by certain posts.
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Old 21.06.2020, 12:44
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

A coloured cashier at Migros was recounting an incident at Migros when a man bought a box of Mohrenköpfe and he pointed to them and said "The name should stay" - he then added - "Because black people should know their limits"


But of course there's no connection with the name of the product and racism according to a few people here.

The cashier was relieved when Migros withdrew the product from her place of work.
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A coloured cashier at Migros was recounting an incident at Migros when a man bought a box of Mohrenköpfe and he pointed to them and said "The name should stay" - he then added - "Because black people should know their limits"


But of course there's no connection with the name of the product and racism according to a few people here.

The cashier was relieved when Migros withdrew the product from her place of work.
Not that I am doubting it but can you please provide a source for that? Interested to read it myself.
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Old 21.06.2020, 13:10
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Not that I am doubting it but can you please provide a source for that? Interested to read it myself.
Sure. Here, in German.
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Q: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?
A: Who really cares?
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A: Who really cares?
That is certainly the mother of all rhetorical questions.
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A coloured cashier at Migros was recounting an incident at Migros when a man bought a box of Mohrenköpfe and he pointed to them and said "The name should stay" - he then added - "Because black people should know their limits"


But of course there's no connection with the name of the product and racism according to a few people here.

The cashier was relieved when Migros withdrew the product from her place of work.
Tom, you’ve been on the right side of things here so far, but “coloured cashier” - really?
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Sure. Here, in German.

Migros didn't seem to be bothered when their own employees have problems with the product but remove it after someone tweets about it.
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

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Yeah Tom, how dare you.

Dictating others how they should speak or think is a two bladed sword. There is always a even woker person on the internet. And soon, Sky might even be disgusted by your posts.

J.K. Rowling just made that experience.

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Old 21.06.2020, 14:14
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

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What should I have written? Non-white I guess? Perhaps you could have told me in your response?


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Yeah Tom, how dare you.

Dictating others how they should speak or think is a two bladed sword. There is always a even woker person on the internet. And soon, Sky might even be disgusted by your posts.
There are lots on this forum. I got hounded for stating that Italians gesticulate when they speak.

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Migros didn't seem to be bothered when their own employees have problems with the product but remove it after someone tweets about it.
But the end result is the same. It also didn't state whether the employee had actually complained to anyone about it.

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