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I thought dual race is the term these days. Mixed race sounds so dated .
Dual race sounds so dated. Lots of people are a mix of more than two races.

Mixed race is wrong as it suggests that if there is a mixed race, there must be pure races too.

In South Africa, people of more than one race call themselves 'coloured.'
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I^ve just learned people of color. Is that dated already?
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People of colours?

In all seriousness I would just say "mixed race". Either way, I probably wouldn't beat myself up for using "coloured" vs "people of colour" as the latest most acceptable racial descriptory do seem to sometimes vary a bit depending on who you speak to.
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Dual race sounds so dated. Lots of people are a mix of more than two races.

Mixed race is wrong as it suggests that if there is a mixed race, there must be pure races too.

In South Africa, people of more than one race call themselves 'coloured.'

Let's submit all proposals to HartMoss so that they can decide
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Let's submit all proposals to HartMoss so that they can decide
I think most of the answers are in this thread already.

It is of course up to you if you wish to pander to the sensibilities of those who do not like being called various monikers, which have been pointed out several times now.

It is no skin off my nose in an online forum, but probably worth your while acquainting yourselves with the preferred vernacular in real life, so as not to provoke ire (or disdain) unnecessarily.
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Old 21.06.2020, 21:24
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It is no skin off my nose in an online forum, but probably worth your while acquainting yourselves with the preferred vernacular in real life, so as not to provoke ire (or disdain) unnecessarily.
That’s why I’m asking. I was hoping for a relevant answer and not a condescending dismissal.
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I^ve just learned people of color. Is that dated already?
I’ve been using “vibrant” to umbrella the lot. It’s been well received and understood. Black, brown, yellow, rainbow, trans, non-binary, etc. It all fits.
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

I was at a birthday party yesterday and there was a woman there who I began chatting with. She showed me a photo of her (gorgeous!) daughter from her phone and pointed out that she's half white and half black. She used a term I had never heard before to refer to being "mixed." I just wish I could remember what it was. Too much sangria.

But we started talking about racism, and she told me that her daughter use to be called "regen" by her classmates here -- which if read backwards, well... you get the point.
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Old 21.06.2020, 22:40
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

Wonder how long this thread will be until the white people have decided, what the non-pale-people would like to be called.

There is one human race.
<<For belief that the human species is naturally divided into races, see Racialism.>> Wikipedia
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Old 21.06.2020, 22:48
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Most of my life.

And thankfully so.

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Old 21.06.2020, 23:02
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Yes amogles, that example you just made is exactly the same context as this example of the Mohrenkopf sweet. I think we call all lay this issue to rest now that you have single-handedly removed all doubt from the matter.

Dripping sarcasm aside, you are just inventing a scenario that does not exist. Mr Mohr did not invent the Mohrenkopf candy and then name it after himself. You understand that... right?



Can you please explain how you can present that as "fact"? Or is it a "strong suspicion"?
Because until now, it was not used to insult people. Maybe back in the days, but nowadays the pejorative term is used. Whenever there was an incident of racial name-calling discussed in the paper in recent times, it was never Mohrenkopf. Google it....search Blick "N-Word" (Swiss German spelling)
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Wonder how long this thread will be until the white people have decided, what the non-pale-people would like to be called.

There is one human race.
<<For belief that the human species is naturally divided into races, see Racialism.>> Wikipedia
It’s clear to me that many have already decided and won’t be told otherwise.

C’est la vie. Fortunately the majority of people in real life seem to be cool with not intentionally being hurtful and are polite and accepting when it is explained to them why words like “coloured” are painful to hear.

It seems a lot of the people on here who are unwilling to embrace change are a bit older, which is normal and as far as I’m led to believe, exclusively white as you mention above. I guess that’s just the kind of place this is.
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Old 22.06.2020, 01:46
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I once asked a neighbor in the US, that with all the different terms flying around, which she personally preferred, and she said "colored".
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You have to understand that Tom fathered his first child at Woodstock.
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I was at a birthday party yesterday and there was a woman there who I began chatting with. She showed me a photo of her (gorgeous!) daughter from her phone and pointed out that she's half white and half black. She used a term I had never heard before to refer to being "mixed." I just wish I could remember what it was. Too much sangria.
Mulatto? (Another outdated term, but one that specifically describes that situation.)
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Wonder how long this thread will be until the white people have decided, what the non-pale-people would like to be called.
Exactly so. Every living human is of the same species, even the same subspecies. It's interesting that one shade of Homo sapiens sapiens likes to call themselves "white" while all other "races" get one other descriptor, basically meaning "not white". So there are two options, and one is apparently more desirable than the other...

The whole concept of "races" is inherently racist. As soon as you pigeon-hole somebody as one race or another, you've made a racist decision -- it's unavoidable. But is it necessary?

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EVERYBODY in the world is a mix of "races". Over 300,000 years, there have been a lot of opportunities to mix up the chromosomes, so to speak. And given that scientists pretty much universally agree that Homo sapiens arose in Africa -- as "black" people -- it's more than a little laughable that anybody would regard "white" people as the master race. (Not that you did, Tom, I'm just making the point.)
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Re: Is the Mohrenkopf a racist piece of candy?

Probably most people have read this unattributed "poem" at some time or another, but for those who don't know it, it seems pertinent:

When I was born, I was black,
When I grew up, I was black,
When I'm sick, I'm black,
When I go out in the sun, I'm black,
When I'm cold, I'm black,
When I die, I'll be black,

But you,

When you're born, you're pink,
When you grow up, you're white,
When you're sick, you're green,
When you go out in the sun, you go red,
When you're cold, you go blue,
When you die, you'll be purple,

And you have the nerve to call me coloured!
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Old 22.06.2020, 04:35
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Or rename songs:

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Well, when nobody even understands the point(s) the songwriter is trying to make, maybe...

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It’s clear to me that many have already decided and won’t be told otherwise.

C’est la vie. Fortunately the majority of people in real life seem to be cool with not intentionally being hurtful and are polite and accepting when it is explained to them why words like “coloured” are painful to hear.

It seems a lot of the people on here who are unwilling to embrace change are a bit older, which is normal and as far as I’m led to believe, exclusively white as you mention above. I guess that’s just the kind of place this is.
Can only imagine the shock and horror of some people here getting a tad-too-cool a tan after a few hot summer months spent doing stuff outdoors!
Suddenly they become "people of colour"...no?
Trust me, you get past the awkward redness eventually, even if you're the whitest of the whitest.... Just give it some time..


Btw, I usually don't describe people by their race/ethnicity only by nationality. If I need to. I couldn't care less. IF I have to use "black" I'll use black. Or "dark(er) skin". Meridional type. Never had any problems but then again I'm not into scanning people's DNA just by looking at them...

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EVERYBODY in the world is a mix of "races". Over 300,000 years, there have been a lot of opportunities to mix up the chromosomes, so to speak. And given that scientists pretty much universally agree that Homo sapiens arose in Africa -- as "black" people -- it's more than a little laughable that anybody would regard "white" people as the master race. (Not that you did, Tom, I'm just making the point.)
True (or at least scientifically accepted), but that was hundreds and hundreds and thousands of years ago and it's not a relevant argument to anyone in the current race debates. The 'master race' is, and always has been, the ones in the position of power to call themselves thus and it has changed throughout history. Greeks, Romans, Europeans... in the unforseeable future it may be different.

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It’s clear to me that many have already decided and won’t be told otherwise.

C’est la vie. Fortunately the majority of people in real life seem to be cool with not intentionally being hurtful and are polite and accepting when it is explained to them why words like “coloured” are painful to hear.

It seems a lot of the people on here who are unwilling to embrace change are a bit older, which is normal and as far as I’m led to believe, exclusively white as you mention above. I guess that’s just the kind of place this is.
Do you have a hidden violin that you carry with you and take out and play in real-life, just to add a bit of additional layer to your unnecessarily dramatic lamentations?
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Do you have a hidden violin that you carry with you and take out and play in real-life, just to add a bit of additional layer to your unnecessarily dramatic lamentations?
I have tried to be as nice as I can about this, but you are just proving my point.

You’d rather not listen to what people find offensive and would rather mock instead of learn.
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You have to understand that Tom fathered his first child at Woodstock.
Was too young for Woodstock.

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Was too young for Woodstock.

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Yeah but you started earlier back in the day.....
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I have tried to be as nice as I can about this, but you are just proving my point.

You’d rather not listen to what people find offensive and would rather mock instead of learn.
Yes, I am sure that you have so much to teach us all. It must be highly frustrating for you, knowing that you have so much wisdom and expertise to impart and yet these uncivilized and uncultured ignorami just will not listen.

As you said... C'est la vie.
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