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Now listen here, chaps. We've sorted out the rest of world, now it's your turn to toe the line. If we say that Mohrenkopf biscuits are racist, then they're racist. There's no two ways about it. We know what we're talking about because we invented racism.

So you'd better do what we tell you. Remember Amritsar? Remember the Congo? Good. Now you know what to do. We'd recommend calling them something like "Victoria Cakes" or "Leopold Biscuits".

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Good idea.

And I think I'll sip some Darjeeling and nibble a Balaklava while I'm thinking about it. We never named stuff after people we were nasty to.
Cough - I think you mean "Baklava"...

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Is Mobutu-heads ok?
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... but I just don't see the drama about naming a Sauce. If you want something to argue about... let's tell the Americans that Tuna isn't "Chicken of the seas".
Well, then you should know that some people see the drama in all of this, and after reading some comments here, I myself started to see it too.

https://www.thelocal.de/20130815/51421

I'm like, wow, and I thought I come from a racist country. I am not a Sinti/Roma person or whatever, but really...is not the sauce that is the problem.
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Well, then you should know that some people see the drama in all of this, and after reading some comments here, I myself started to see it too.

https://www.thelocal.de/20130815/51421

I'm like, wow, and I thought I come from a racist country. I am not a Sinti/Roma person or whatever, but really...is not the sauce that is the problem.
If the "Hannover Branch" of a slightly obscure club thinks so, it sure must be true... Zigeuner is nowhere near as bad as Neger. Completely normal term up to the 60s. Sinti and Roma didn't like that it is a generalization of all people who travel in caravans, from Irish to them. But it surely isn't essentially racist.

Here is a very popular pop-song from that area. Hardly a racial slur, is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOahe2pY2j4
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Dear Swiss people,

Now listen here, chaps. We've sorted out the rest of world, now it's your turn to toe the line. If we say that Mohrenkopf biscuits are racist, then they're racist. There's no two ways about it. We know what we're talking about because we invented racism.

So you'd better do what we tell you. Remember Amritsar? Remember the Congo? Good. Now you know what to do. We'd recommend calling them something like "Victoria Cakes" or "Leopold Biscuits".

Lots of love,

Imperialist Europe
P.S. Switzerland, thanks for playing a key role in the slave trade, although obviously you made a lot of money from it so I guess you didn't mind helping.
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at the time of the naming of the Mohrenkopf, these same people were having atrocities committed against them by the Germans (amongst others, but we are talking about a German invention so..). Hopefully that explains the link between the name and why it is insensitive.
We aren't Germans, we don't have German ancestors, nor are we living in Germany.

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P.S. Switzerland, thanks for playing a key role in the slave trade, although obviously you made a lot of money from it so I guess you didn't mind helping.
Only jumped in a local market which flourished for centuries already to help expand it to a international market.

I always get so damn sick of all the time from all that rattling about the slavery, it is only allowed to discuss how the black were oppressed by the white people, that they took over a million slaves from our coastal areas, and that they themselves were kidnapping and stealing each other to sell their own kind on the market (Heck in areas still is still happening today) is never to be mentioned in that discussion.

And some expect us to say sorry for something that happened 10 generations ago...
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We aren't Germans, we don't have German ancestors, nor are we living in Germany.

Tom
Stop eating their chocolate then? Not sure what your point is. The Mohrenkopf came from Germany, was named by the Germans and the Swiss kept the name long after the Germans correctly ditched it.

And thanks for my first ever groan I'm sorry that you don't like the historical facts, and feel the need to shoot the messenger.
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And some expect us to say sorry for something that happened 10 generations ago...
Who exactly expects you to say sorry? And if a bad thing has happened in history, why not acknowledge it?

Why Germany has to apologise all the time and it is considered normal, but not anyone else who did similar things.
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The Mohrenkopf came from Germany, was named by the Germans and the Swiss kept the name long after the Germans correctly ditched it.
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Who exactly expects you to say sorry? And if a bad thing has happened in history, why not acknowledge it?

Why Germany has to apologise all the time and it is considered normal, but not anyone else who did similar things.
What he is saying is pretty simple: We all learned about the African slave trade to the US in school. And we all come from a lot of different countries, but it seems to have been in the curriculum everywhere.

The Arab slave trade I mentioned in a previous post? I coincidentally read about it in a Nat Geo. Never heard of the pirates catching several million Europeans and selling them on under Ottoman rule. Heck, there even was a war involving most European nations and even the USA against them... I cannot recall ever hearing of that in school.

So I must say that acknowledging is important, but it seems to be reserved for colonial crimes...
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Old 19.09.2017, 16:11
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The Arab slave trade I mentioned in a previous post? I coincidentally read about it in a Nat Geo. Never heard of the pirates catching several million Europeans and selling them on under Ottoman rule. Heck, there even was a war involving most European nations and even the USA against them... I cannot recall ever hearing of that in school.
If Trump gets his way that war is going to be put back onto the school curricuilum. I have already noticed an increase in the US in books being written about it. I don't see any evidence of that interest reaching Europe yet.

The official version of history is both about what gets left out as what gets put in.
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The Arab slave trade I mentioned in a previous post? I coincidentally read about it in a Nat Geo. Never heard of the pirates catching several million Europeans and selling them on under Ottoman rule. Heck, there even was a war involving most European nations and even the USA against them... I cannot recall ever hearing of that in school.
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I've seen that too and was equally surprised. Of course I learned enough stuff about the Ottomans, but didn't know about the pirates.

Yeah, whatever. Better to live in the present and give up racism (of all kinds and...affiliations), it's not wise to play with the fire. Did they teach us anything in those stuffy history classes? Sometimes I have the impression that people never learn from the past.
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And now do some research when they ditcht it as you claim.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohrenkopf_(Geb%C3%A4ck)
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And now do some research when they ditcht it as you claim.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohrenkopf_(Geb%C3%A4ck)
So the Germans still use Mohrenkopf? That's a shame.
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So the Germans still use Mohrenkopf? That's a shame.
No it's not.
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You know what I did what I first learnt of my home countries involvement with the slave trade? I groaned at the teacher. Was the only logical response

I then covered my ears with my hands and sang "lalalala", because this is the best way to learn from history.

edit: after pressing the groan button Edwin, don't forget to put your hands over your ears

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You know what I did what I first learnt of my home countries involvement with the slave trade? I groaned at the teacher. Was the only logical response

I then covered my ears with my hands and sang "lalalala", because this is the best way to learn from history.
A smart kid would ask that if they sold them to us, and they also came to rob our people on our shores why they are only angry at us...

Such would already require a teacher who is not left-minded and is willing to teach that both have been victim and perpetrator, unfortunately in this PC climate he probably would lose his job...

Edit: As for your Edit, feel free to narrow your sightings, just don't forget that if you do so there's more then what your eyes do see...
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