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so can anybody actually name a country that hasn't been involved in slavery in the 500 years? we could use the country to name our cookies.
Perhaps a country that only shortly ago came to existence would qualify.

Slavery has been normal for almost the entire existence of humanity, and is still happening up to today.
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Actually no, that isn't what I'd want. My point was that to say "it wasn't Switzerland, just a few banks and families" is quite a poor stance to take given the gravity of the offence committed. We can't pretend that the wealth of a bank has no effect on the wealth of a society and we should all care where that wealth comes from.

And it's not like Swiss banks learnt their lesson during the 2nd world war either.
It wasn't an offence by then
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Perhaps a country that only shortly ago came to existence would qualify.

Slavery has been normal for almost the entire existence of humanity, and is still happening up to today.
even perpetrated by those who oppose it

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The claim that Germans still use the word Mohrenkopf? well that's debatable. There's a wikipedia page about the name, but I'm not sure that means the word is in common use in Germany. I could ask a few of my German friends here in Switzerland for their opinion.
You claimed both the term and the thing are German inventions/creations. Simply using my hint above would have told you otherwise. The Danes are thought to have made them around 1800 already, and Mohrenkopf is merely a word-for-word translation of the French tête de nègre.
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I've explained the link between the name Mohrenkopf with the colonisation and enslavement of African people (with citation) at the time, and I've shown the Swiss involvement in said slave trade (with citation). I would think this should already be enough.
Wrong again. You showed nothing, you merely made another unfounded claim that requires substantiation.
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even perpetrated by those who oppose it

some EF members probably see this as a justified repatriation payment.
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You claimed both the term and the thing are German inventions/creations. Simply using my hint above would have told you otherwise. The Danes are thought to have made them around 1800 already, and Mohrenkopf is merely a word-for-word translation of the French tête de nègre.
From your link:

"Der Mohrenkopf in dieser Form gilt als Erfindung Leipziger Bäcker Ende des 19. Jahrhunderts. Bereits das seit 1878 in Leipzig regelmäßig erschienene Universal-Lexikon der Kochkunst kannte Mohrenköpfe und nannte sie auch Indianer-Krapfen."

Leipzig is in Germany right?

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Wrong again. You showed nothing, you merely made another unfounded claim that requires substantiation.
I provided numerous links to evidence of my claims. The only one I've seen from you also proves my point.

edit: Here's a link to my comment that in Germany they are no longer known as Mohrenkopf:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocol...hmallow_treats

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"The original colloquial names were Mohrenkopf ("Moor's Head") or Negerkuss ("Negro's Kiss"), but most companies changed the product-name to a more neutral Schokoküsse[37] or Schokokuss ("Chocolate Kiss"), Schaumküsse or Schaumkuss ("Foam Kiss") or to brand-specific names.

In German-speaking Switzerland they are still sold as Mohrenkopf.[38][39] In the French-speaking part of Switzerland as well as France they are known as Têtes Choco ("chocolate heads"), or and more commonly as Tête-de-nègre in France.[40]"


I added the bold part. So I was right about that too. The article does say that originally they were created in Denmark, but the Mohrenkopf form that we see here in Switzerland was first created and named in Germany, as is shown in the German Mohrenkopf wikipedia page. I also looked up what a "Danish kiss" looks like and to be honest it looks like the poo emoji, nothing like what the Germans created.

At this point though, I feel that even if I dug up the remains of the original Leipzig baker and performed a seance, that still wouldn't be enough for you.

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Perfect timing...

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He said: 'I ordered a pair of slippers which on first examination looked good, but when they arrived I realised they had swastikas all over the soles.'
FFS...


Oh but there was this gem in the comments section.

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My cooked spaghetti resembled Pol Pot the other day, I know how he feels.

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edit: Here's a link to my comment that in Germany they are no longer known as Mohrenkopf:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocol...hmallow_treats
nice selective quotes.
here the German wikipedia article.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohrenkopf_(Geb%C3%A4ck)
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nice selective quotes.
here the German wikipedia article.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohrenkopf_(Geb%C3%A4ck)
And here's the German wikipedia article about Schokokuss where the Mohrenkopf is specifically referred to as racist. Strange that you didn't link that wikipedia page

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schokokuss
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Screw the Nazis.

Next?

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Screw the Nazis.

Next?

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I forget which of the wikipedia pages it is, but one of them states that the German naming of the Mohrenkopf was changed to the more "neutral" Schokokuss.

So I wouldn't say that, they are more neutral than the Swiss on one subject
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I forget which of the wikipedia pages it is, but one of them states that the German naming of the Mohrkopf was changed to the more "neutral" Schokokuss.

So I wouldn't say that, they are more neutral than the Swiss on one subject
again wrong. it was only mentioned that many (not all) producers named them Schokokuss. "the German naming of Mohrkopf" has not been changed.

let's now go to the next one: Schwedenbomben
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again wrong. it was only mentioned that many (not all) producers named them Schokokuss. "the German naming of Mohrkopf" has not been changed.

let's now go to the next one: Schwedenbomben
Sorry, but I am right again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocol...hmallow_treats

"The original colloquial names were Mohrenkopf ("Moor's Head") or Negerkuss ("Negro's Kiss"), but most companies changed the product-name to a more neutral Schokoküsse[37] or Schokokuss ("Chocolate Kiss"), Schaumküsse or Schaumkuss ("Foam Kiss") or to brand-specific names."

I wouldn't mind but it's in one of the "selective" quotes you mentioned.
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most companies changed the product-name
But not people in general.

Companies can call anything them anything they want.

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I forget which of the wikipedia pages it is, but one of them states that the German naming of the Mohrenkopf was changed to the more "neutral" Schokokuss.

So I wouldn't say that, they are more neutral than the Swiss on one subject
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Sorry, but I am right again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocol...hmallow_treats

"The original colloquial names were Mohrenkopf ("Moor's Head") or Negerkuss ("Negro's Kiss"), but most companies changed the product-name to a more neutral Schokoküsse[37] or Schokokuss ("Chocolate Kiss"), Schaumküsse or Schaumkuss ("Foam Kiss") or to brand-specific names."

I wouldn't mind but it's in one of the "selective" quotes you mentioned.
this is exactly what i referred to. the bold parts marked in the quotes don't mean the same.
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And here's the German wikipedia article about Schokokuss where the Mohrenkopf is specifically referred to as racist. Strange that you didn't link that wikipedia page

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schokokuss
No, it says racist connotation.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/w...ch/connotation
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Meanwhile, just over the border:



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Until the Dornbirners change the name of their beer, the whole point of this thread is moot.

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And I thought it was only the English that danced with and hid behind words
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But not people in general.
[requires citation]

How about you guys start proving what you are saying.
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How about you guys start proving what you are saying.
We have, unfortunately some sock puppets (who really need to get a life) are too ignorant to notice it.

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