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Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

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Does anyone ride either a motorbike,motor scooter or bicycle along the seestrasse from Milen to the city (lets say Stadelhofen) in the winter? What is that road like in the winter? Doable safely or is there too much ice/snow? Im looking to not use the train and don't want the parking hassle of a car. What to you guys think?

How about in the city, so from Stadelhofen to Enge? Would that road over the bridge be safe enough to cycle on in the winter?

People in London cycle in the winter but i haven't experienced the winter here so i have no idea what to expect.
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

Roads/bridges are cleared from snow and ice, but I could imagine you getting very very cold.
My motto for the past years has been: if there is snow/ice on the ground (even though the streets are cleared), I leave the scooter at home. Reason: you will have to traverse the snow on the sides of the street, mostly piled high and icy, at some point to park/pull in a drive way etc. with a two wheeler this is nearly impossible due to no real winter tires and the vehicle is not long enough for the front wheel to be on firm ground when the back wheel hits the snow patch.
If it is only cold or raining, I take the scooter. My drive is about 20min all in the city, and I layer about 4 sweaters, 2 pants and leggins, jacket etc when it s really cold. Fingers and feet are the main problem.
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

I agree with njusta83 about the snow piled up on the edges. However, with a bicylce, as opposed to a scooter, you'll just be able to lift he bicycle over the snow as you stomp through yourself.

Also: please think of visibility. If you choose to cycle to commute to work in a regular job, remember you'll most likely be doing so in the dark, or twilight. In that case, you'll need a highly reflective vest or flashes on your clothing and also on your bike, and proper lighting so you can see where you're going, and be seen. Plus helmet, of course.

The bridge between Bellevue and Bürkliplatz will definitely be cleared in winter, with salt and possibly grit.
Remember to clean your bicycle more often in winter, so it doesn't rust from the salt.
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

Guys thanks very much! I think i will stick with a bicycle then. I don't mind either option and i guess with the bicycle ill be warmer and get the days exercise all in one go plus no fuel/tax/insurance costs.

I've got a 1500 lumen front light, reckon that'll be enough for the front. Got to get me a bright back light and ill be set. Got a helmet too

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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

You are still left with the problem that the wonderful efficient Swiss like to clear roads early, and all too often push the stuff they've diligently cleared from the 'car lane' into the bike lane if there is one and onto the pavement if there isn't.
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

If you're not already familiar with "high visability" or "retroreflective", please have a look at, for example,
http://modelapparel.com/reflective-v...flective-tape/
or
https://youtu.be/P33IuCwFGb4
or
http://www.nightgear.com/blog/the-di...ive-materials/.

A high-visibility vest once saved my life while I was cycling at night and a motorist rounded the corner towards me on the wrong side of the road. I must have lit up frighteningly as the head-lights caught that vest, for the driver slammed on brakes, and I was able to jump off the bicycle, unhurt. By the time I got up again, the driver had put the car into reverse, and disappeared back the way he/she had come.
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

Here's an online cycling map that'd take you off the Seestrasse.
https://map.search.ch/Meilen..Z%C3%B...9,244795&z=128
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

Thanks a lot for those links Doropfiz. Ive never work reflective or retrorefelctive clothing, never considered it but i guess during the winters here it will probably help. Thanks a lot for the links! Ill look into buying one of those hi viz vests. Will check that map page out too! Many thanks!

Longbyt, ill be going out real early
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

Real early? So will the snow-ploughs. And the snow may still be piled up when you return. Longbyt is right that, at least on very snowy days, this will be a factor and the cycling lanes may well be covered by the ploughs' harvest. But you could just take the train on those days.
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Canton Bern
Wie steht es mit der Schneeräumung und dem Salzeinsatz in der Nacht?
In Ziffer 3.4 des RRB ist die nächtliche Beschränkung des Winterdiensts auf allen Kantons-strassen festgelegt:
„Um den Winterdienst möglichst umweltfreundlich und wirtschaftlich auszuführen und die damit verbundenen Immissionen gering zu halten, wird er auf allen Kantonsstrassen ab 23:00 Uhr auf das Allernot-wendigste beschränkt. Die Kantonsstrassen sind generell ab 06:00 Uhr wieder betriebs- bereit.
In der Regel beginnen die Überwacher frühmorgens um ca. 03.00 Uhr...

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What about snow clearing and the use of salts at night?
Section 3.4 of the RRB stipulates the nightly restriction of winter service on all canton roads:
"In order to make the winter service as environmentally friendly and economical as possible and to minimize the associated immissions, it will be restricted to the most manoeuvrable on all canton routes from 23:00 onwards. The cantonal roads are generally ready for operation again from 06:00.
As a rule, the surveyors begin the service early in the morning at about 3:00...
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A high-visibility vest once saved my life while I was cycling at night and a motorist rounded the corner towards me on the wrong side of the road. I must have lit up frighteningly as the head-lights caught that vest, for the driver slammed on brakes, and I was able to jump off the bicycle, unhurt. By the time I got up again, the driver had put the car into reverse, and disappeared back the way he/she had come.
Oh, that was you! Scared the living daylights out of me.
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As a rule, the surveyors begin the service early in the morning at about 3:00...

It was a half joke but fair enough certainly not that early!
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Real early? So will the snow-ploughs. And the snow may still be piled up when you return. Longbyt is right that, at least on very snowy days, this will be a factor and the cycling lanes may well be covered by the ploughs' harvest. But you could just take the train on those days.
Oh yeah sure, on the bad days or those where I haven't slept very well it'll be the train. But I guess the rest, with care and attention should be ok.

Oh and a highviz and lights and helmet
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Oh, that was you! Scared the living daylights out of me.
Oh, Jag, this post had me laughing out loud for several minutes! Thank you!
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

My husband came off his bike a few years ago when he hit a patch of black ice. He smashed his front teeth. He was able to wheel his bike back home and I still remember him staggering through the front door with blood pouring down his shirtfront.

Now we don't ride if the temperature drops below zero, just in case...

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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

If the road has a lot of snow that has been melted partially by salt and traffic I mostly cycle on the sidewalk or avoid busy roads since in the morning those are often less slippery, fresh snow is easy to cycle on, just heavier if it's like 10 cm or more. It's only the rare moments when there's actually a thin layer of ice on the road that's demands full attention and best to be taking the tram since your braking and steering ability goes down to almost zero, but those days are rare.

I don't see a problem with cycling in winter, but I'm Dutch
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Re: Motorcycle/Scooter or bicycle along the Seestrasse

4 Winters here. All on my bike. No problems at all.

If unsure - get proper winter tyres. It helps.
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