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hello, bit of advice needed, i work as a bricklayer for a small firm, we got integratted into a larger company, within weeks it became clear that it was their intention to relplace us all with their own people, over 24 months they got rid of all my work colleagues except me, a soon to be pensioner ,and a state aided worker(behinderet),in this time also the workload increased rapidly, and so did risk, through no fault of my own ,ive had three seroius accidents,a ladder collapse, resulting in a broken back, the temp holding the ladder, released hes grip, to use hes mobile, a scaffold collapse, two broken ribs ,concussion resulting in short term memory loss, and a spell in hospital, the boss started to dismantle the scaffold as i worked, removing the safety railing and scaffold board without notifying me, i stepped back, into thin air, and finally, last month, whilst prepping a site in a quarry,i had to run a cable along the top of the quarry edge, as i walked along the quarry, there was a landslide,(heavy rain), and i was caught up in a near vertical mud slide of about 25 meters,two ruptured knees, i have now been laid off also,off the cards i wa told this is because the insurance premium is too high, do i have any redress,as none of this was my fault, and as the doctor said, some of these injuries could cause problems at a latter date, for the record, all these injuries i had a total of one month off work,by comparison, a swiss work person at the firm has just been signed off for a month with 4 stitches in hes thumb from cutting himself with a knife,(pussy)
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hello, bit of advice needed, i work as a bricklayer for a small firm, we got integratted into a larger company, within weeks it became clear that it was their intention to relplace us all with their own people, over 24 months they got rid of all my work colleagues except me, a soon to be pensioner ,and a state aided worker(behinderet),in this time also the workload increased rapidly, and so did risk, through no fault of my own ,ive had three seroius accidents,a ladder collapse, resulting in a broken back, the temp holding the ladder, released hes grip, to use hes mobile, a scaffold collapse, two broken ribs ,concussion resulting in short term memory loss, and a spell in hospital, the boss started to dismantle the scaffold as i worked, removing the safety railing and scaffold board without notifying me, i stepped back, into thin air, and finally, last month, whilst prepping a site in a quarry,i had to run a cable along the top of the quarry edge, as i walked along the quarry, there was a landslide,(heavy rain), and i was caught up in a near vertical mud slide of about 25 meters,two ruptured knees, i have now been laid off also,off the cards i wa told this is because the insurance premium is too high, do i have any redress,as none of this was my fault, and as the doctor said, some of these injuries could cause problems at a latter date, for the record, all these injuries i had a total of one month off work,by comparison, a swiss work person at the firm has just been signed off for a month with 4 stitches in hes thumb from cutting himself with a knife,(pussy)
Bloody hell, this post had not one dot. Thank dog for the commas. Did you breath while you wrote it?!? (As you already have enough physical problems).

What exactly is the question? Can they make you redundant? Not while you're on sick-leave. But any time after, without giving reason.
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Wow, those accidents sound awful! I'm sorry you had to experience that.

Employers must insure their employees for accidents.
Whenever you have an accident, there should be an Accident Number. This is issued by the accident insurance. You need to know this Accident Number for each accident.

The insurance should cover the costs of all the medical treatment that you needed as a result of each accident. Also of future treatments which are needed as a result of that same accident, even if you are no longer employed by the same employer.

While you were medically signed off as you were recovering from each accident, the insurance should pay your salary, too.

Did you fully recover from those accidents such that you were medically considered 100% fit for work again? That would be quite remarkable, after all you have been through. If you have suffered lasting consequences which make you unable to work full-time to earn enough to live on, then you should be registered for a disability pension, either a partial or complete.
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Can you please form sentences, this is impossible to read properly. Also, hIs not hEs.

Also, can you actually ask a question? Maybe you did and I missed a question mark...

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Can they make you redundant? Not while you're on sick-leave.
Yes they can, depending on tenure and length of sick leave.
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Can you please form sentences, this is impossible to read properly. Also, hIs not hEs.

Also, can you actually ask a question? Maybe you did and I missed a question mark...
No need to be that condescending. If the internet is a cross section of society then everyone has their place, even those who may not meet your standards of eloquence or grammar.
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No need to be that condescending. If the internet is a cross section of society then everyone has their place, even those who may not meet your standards of eloquence or grammar.
His native language is English. (Mine isn't).

And if you want advice, you should actually ask a question, and outline the problem in a way it's clear, understandable and readable.

Zero to do with condescension.
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His native language is English. (Mine isn't).

And if you want advice, you should actually ask a question, and outline the problem in a way it's clear, understandable and readable.

Zero to do with condescension.
What a clever person you are!!!
They often say that foreigners speak English better than the Brits themselves. You are obviously a shining example and clearly your tone has everything to do with condescension.

A brickie has skills that I certainly don't have. But I wouldn't necessary expect a level of eloquence comparable to someone with a university education (although I wouldn't exclude it either).

The OP has clearly had a hard time of late and is concerned about his future employment and medical care. He says he is close to retirement and those are two major issues to be worried about at that point in his career. The last thing he needs or wants is a lecture from a pompous p**ck like you about his literary skills.
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First you break your back, than you break two ribs and have a concussion, and than you rupture two knees, and only have 1 month of sick leave in total.

wtf... (find this actually very, very hard to believe tbh) Each of these cases separately easily could exceed a month on their own with your job.

Anyway, what you want is to make your employer liable for any future damages occurring out of these accidents. This has to be done shortly after an accident and cannot be done years later when the damage actually occurs, since you already worked for some time and I have no clue about what all is registered at those moments It would be best to contact a lawyer or union (if you would be a member) and seek advise on what would be possible in your situation. Not that you must do this, it is a choice, but I would given the injuries and the very short periods of at minimum have this all properly registered for future problems.

Also taking away the safety boarding on the scaffolding without proper pre-caution to prevent accidents, or working higher on a ladder than the law permits or not securing it properly, or walking to close to the side of a non secured quarry are all acts against the law. Have none of these accidents been properly reported than expect to be in a shitstorm when bringing them forward.

As for your question about regress, no you have no right to such once you are of sick leave you lose all protection this offers, and can be easily fired as long as your employer respects the law and does it in a legally correct way and respects the cancellation period.
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His native language is English. (Mine isn't).

And if you want advice, you should actually ask a question, and outline the problem in a way it's clear, understandable and readable.

Zero to do with condescension.
That doesn't mean a thing

He did ask. But he's very obviously very upset and under stress. I could literally see him standing in front of my desk, breathless.

Yes, I'm also still dizzy from reading his post but I will study it again tomorrow, he needs addresses to turn to (as we can't really help him any other way anyway).
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Do you have a contract? Are you in a union? Is the insurance paying you sick pay?
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Can you please form sentences, this is impossible to read properly. Also, hIs not hEs.

Also, can you actually ask a question? Maybe you did and I missed a question mark...
Funny how you start your post with a question but fail to use a question mark, and than complain about somebody else not using a question mark.

The pot calling the kettle black.....
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As for your question about regress, no you have no right to such once you are of sick leave you lose all protection this offers, and can be easily fired as long as your employer respects the law and does it in a legally correct way and respects the cancellation period.
Edwin is probably right in this point. That's a gap in the laws about how employees in Switzerland are [not] protected. However, there is always the question of whether the end of the sick leave was correctly set by the doctors.

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First you break your back, than you break two ribs and have a concussion, and than you rupture two knees, and only have 1 month of sick leave in total.

wtf... (find this actually very, very hard to believe tbh) Each of these cases separately easily could exceed a month on their own with your job..
Edwin, are you sure? I didn't read englishfella's post this way. I thought he meant that his colleage had 4 weeks off because of a cut in his hand, not him.

Englishfella... is that what you meant? That all of those accidents together gave you one month's sick leave?
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Edwin, are you sure? I didn't read englishfella's post this way. I thought he meant that his colleage had 4 weeks off because of a cut in his hand, not him.

Englishfella... is that what you meant? That all of those accidents together gave you one month's sick leave?
As he describes it himself: for the record, all these injuries i had a total of one month off work

I think we have a situation of somebody unaware of his rights and under pressure from his employer, this never should have happened like this. Also these accidents never should have occurred but they happened because laws were broken.
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Englishfella... is that what you meant? That all of those accidents together gave you one month's sick leave?
I understand it the same way as Edwin i.e. 4 weeks all together for all of those accidents .

Anyway...

What the OP is describing is a clear breach of Health and Safety regulations at the Workplace in Switzerland. The company, being a large company, are certainly liable for sanctions for not fulfilling its legal obligations to ensure that such accidents are prevented. I have no idea about this area, but another EFer might.

To answer his question, I would certainly think that the OP should have some recourse in this case.

The best documentation I could find on it is only in German:

SBA140_d 2.pdf
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Thanks, Edwin, and ZuriRollt, yes, I overlooked that sentence. You are right.
I also think englishfella doesn't know his rights.

Englishfella, are you a member of a union, such as Unia, or another one?

Just in case there is anything that can be done to help you, in terms of insurance, you need to get all the papers together.

Try to make a list of all the accidents, with dates. When did it happen, who helped you, which doctor did you see, how long were you booked off, on what date did you go back to work.

Collect a full file of all the reports from all the doctors who have been involved in treating you. By Swiss law, you have a right to these. You can just ask the doctors, and they will give them to you. Sometimes a phonecall or mail will do, other doctors require your request in writing on paper, some will copy the reports for you right there, in their practice, if you wait.
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SUVA is of course the best source of info. and regulations. Their web-site is a mine of info., unfortunately not in English:

https://www.suva.ch/de-ch/praeventio...chtigen-regeln
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What the OP is describing is a clear breach of Health and Safety regulations at the Workplace in Switzerland. The company, being a large company, are certainly liable for sanctions for not fulfilling its legal obligations to ensure that such accidents are prevented. I have no idea about this area, but another EFer might.
The second one with the scaffolding is a clear fault of his boss, as OP describes it I have no doubt about that one.

The other two could be his own fault, or that of his employer (or even both), the story does not give info about this.

For example, if OP has been instructed properly at that moment, or months before in general about such situations, and the employer also did not put pressure on him to do it like that, and there are regulations in the company about working on height, and OP decided together with his co-worker to just use a ladder since it is just so easy this time than he becomes liable himself. If there is however a company culture of which the employer should know that this happens often and he does nothing against it, than he (or both) are liable.

Same goes for the quarry, only when knowing everything involved the question about liability can be answered.
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Do you have a contract? Are you in a union? Is the insurance paying you sick pay?
This. You need to get yourself to UNIA ASAP.
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As far as I understand, an accident report must be filed with SUVA when an accident occurs on a building site and they follow up with an investigation if warranted.

So the OP should go to SUVA.
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hello, bit of advice needed, i work as a bricklayer for a small firm, we got integratted into a larger company, within weeks it became clear that it was their intention to relplace us all with their own people, over 24 months they got rid of all my work colleagues except me, a soon to be pensioner ,and a state aided worker(behinderet),in this time also the workload increased rapidly, and so did risk, through no fault of my own ,ive had three seroius accidents,a ladder collapse, resulting in a broken back, the temp holding the ladder, released hes grip, to use hes mobile, a scaffold collapse, two broken ribs ,concussion resulting in short term memory loss, and a spell in hospital, the boss started to dismantle the scaffold as i worked, removing the safety railing and scaffold board without notifying me, i stepped back, into thin air, and finally, last month, whilst prepping a site in a quarry,i had to run a cable along the top of the quarry edge, as i walked along the quarry, there was a landslide,(heavy rain), and i was caught up in a near vertical mud slide of about 25 meters,two ruptured knees, i have now been laid off also,off the cards i wa told this is because the insurance premium is too high, do i have any redress,as none of this was my fault, and as the doctor said, some of these injuries could cause problems at a latter date, for the record, all these injuries i had a total of one month off work,by comparison, a swiss work person at the firm has just been signed off for a month with 4 stitches in hes thumb from cutting himself with a knife,(pussy)

Working with this bunch of incompetent bastards, I'd be happy to get away from them! Of course, squeeze the money out of their tight wallets!
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