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Old 14.11.2017, 06:22
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And don´t forget, going out for a beer will set you back by about 10 CHuff´s a half.
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Old 14.11.2017, 08:31
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OK so in conclusion these fiscal deals are unfair.

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Now that thats clarified, can I still come normally?
A bit late to the party (not being a night owl like a lot of folks here ), short answer is no, not as a non-EU national. Assuming the marriage/registered same sex partnership idea is a non-starter then finding a Swiss employer willing to go through the non-EU hiring process to get you a permit is the only way to do it. As was said earlier though, you'd be last in the hiring queue since priority is given to Swiss/EU nationals.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

There are quota limits on the number of permits available and many cantons have already used up their allocation for this year.

You could certainly buy a business here, but owning a Swiss business doesn't give you residency rights so that won't work either. You couldn't do sole trader and a larger company like a GmbH or AG would need to have someone who's already a Swiss resident as a director of the company and the company would still need to go through the non-EU hiring process if it wanted to try and hire you.

However, if you can get that Italian passport then all of the above problems disappear. You can come over as a tourist for up to 3 months to job hunt and if you find something you simply take your employment contract to your town hall to register as being a resident and to let them know you'll now be working. If you don't find a job within the first 3 months you can apply for a job seeker's L permit which gives you another 3 months to look for work. If still nothing work-wise after the 6 months you'd either have to leave the country or work out that fiscal deal.
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Old 14.11.2017, 08:50
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OK so in conclusion these fiscal deals are unfair.
The world isn't a fair place, however that shouldn't deter you from coming though. Do what's best for you.

p.s. your assumptions on Switzerland were broadly speaking correct.
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Old 14.11.2017, 10:19
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If still nothing work-wise after the 6 months you'd either have to leave the country or work out that fiscal deal.
I'm not 100% sure he'd be eligible for a fiscal deal after being resident on a permit, even a lowly L. But that's just speculation on my part.
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Old 14.11.2017, 10:33
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But does 55% seem fair to you?
Depends who's paying it. If it's levied on all earnings above, e.g. 1M a year, doesn't seem too onerous. If it's levied on all earnings, then it depends how the government uses it - as I recall tax rates are high in Scandanavian countries, but the services are generally rather good. (cue Scandanavian expats declaring the opposite...)

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How does this low VAT matter when the prices of most items are marked up by 130-200% anyway compared to european neighbors?
Easy. Import something from Germany that doesn't attract duty.
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And so far I think it's just me who's not thrilled about the fiscal deals. Others here may love them. I know one member of EF who is rapt with the concept of non-criminality of tax evasion here.
Actually the majority of the voters want to keep them, there was a vote a few years ago. Don't ask me what their reasoning may be but there's that.
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OK so in conclusion these fiscal deals are unfair.
Let's say, they're frowned upon.
Just as an example... A Russian billionaire spent millions building a mansion at the top of our village. Owing to his failure to secure residency, and visa restrictions, he can only live there for 2 weeks of the year.

Also, you need to have Swiss residency to be allowed to buy a home here. Currently, the cheapest house available in my village is CAD 3,549,088 for 214 m² with 3 bedrooms.

A word to the wise... All the Swiss people that I know reasonably well, believe it's the height of bad manners to discuss their financial worth. They also tend to not flaunt their wealth. I see one of my friends a few times a week tending to her allotment. We always stop for a chat, and it's taken a few years for me to realise that she's has the kind of wealth that makes 10m look like small potatoes. There is nothing affluent about her manner, her clothes or her behaviour, and she still works part-time to give structure to her life. In my experience, that is the Swiss way.

What you see as right wing politics, I see as very conservative. Swiss people like their country as it is. They don't always embrace change, and need a lot of convincing that any change can be an improvement. Things work just fine they way they are.

In this country, you never look down on someone, never judge them by their occupation, and never accuse them of being snarky or a socialist, because you never know who you're talking to.
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In this country, you never look down on someone, never judge them by their occupation, and never accuse them of being snarky or a socialist, because you never know who you're talking to.
This. Yes. Good advice for life in general, no matter where you are and with whom you're dealing.

P.S. Also never assume that "being a socialist" will always understood as an accusation. For some, that'd be a compliment.
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OK so in conclusion these fiscal deals are unfair.
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Now that thats clarified, can I still come normally?
PhilipJoseph, I don't usually post comments that criticize anyone's phrasing. This post of yours, though, should win a prize, and I thank you, because it brought a lasting chuckle to a very autumnal day.
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OK so in conclusion these fiscal deals are unfair.

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Now that thats clarified, can I still come normally?


Rather you didnt, if i'm honest.
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Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

There's gotta be a Louis CK joke in there somewhere.








But for a Canadian coming to CH I see the following realistic options.
1. Obtain a work visa for your specialized skills
2. Marry a Swiss Person
3. Take on a Swiss education (PhD, Masters, Whathaveyou), finish and use the time to find visa-worthy employment


You will find many things that you will sorely miss from Canada-whether that's worth the perceived socialism you experience--that's to be found out.
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There's gotta be a Louis CK joke in there somewhere.

But for a Canadian coming to CH I see the following realistic options.
1. Obtain a work visa for your specialized skills
2. Marry a Swiss Person
3. Take on a Swiss education (PhD, Masters, Whathaveyou), finish and use the time to find visa-worthy employment


You will find many things that you will sorely miss from Canada-whether that's worth the perceived socialism you experience--that's to be found out.
Don't limit the guy!

He can marry a Swiss, an EU or a permit holder.

Give the guy options (I need a new tiara)!
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They also tend to not flaunt their wealth.
Ahh that must be all the Ausländer and tourists I see walking down Bahnhofstrasse with Louis Vuitton bags, or coming out of Chanel barely able to or driving Lamborghinis round Bellevue, or stood chatting with their Ferrari dealer at the Zurich motorshow to give just a few local examples. And it isn’t just a Zurich or even a banker thing. I’ve seen similar in Basel, Geneva and Luzern too.

It’s a myth the Swiss love to perpetuate, but it’s a wealthy country that isn’t afraid to treat itself.
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Ahh that must be all the Ausländer and tourists I see walking down Bahnhofstrasse with Louis Vuitton bags, or coming out of Chanel barely able to or driving Lamborghinis round Bellevue, or stood chatting with their Ferrari dealer at the Zurich motorshow to give just a few local examples. And it isn’t just a Zurich or even a banker thing. I’ve seen similar in Basel, Geneva and Luzern too.

It’s a myth the Swiss love to perpetuate, but it’s a wealthy country that isn’t afraid to treat itself.
There are several strata of wealth, of course; there's the wealthy, and the stinking rich, and several layers in between. The stinking rich tend not to flaunt it. And remember that 1 in 4 of the people you see out and about aren't Swiss, and are probably slightly above average on the Franc-O-Meter, so yes, many of the flaunters could indeed be Ausländer.
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True, but to date, the one and only person I've seen shopping on Bahnhoffstrasse with an entourage of people carrying her bags, was Paris Hilton.

Everyone is entitled to have their toys and spend as they please, but there's a difference between that and being ostentatious. There are a lot of big fish in the Swiss pond, and whilst I was a happy minnow in the UK, by Swiss standards, I'm happy plankton.
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