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Good luck with attempting to stun lobsters, maybe someone will bring out a lobster stunner
I don't really eat lobster, and I've never cooked it, but I thought chefs just stabbed them in the head.
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Re: Kind to lobsters

It made the BBC podcast news update this morning... It was interesting until they brought on a spokesperson from PETA...

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But these cruel cooks actually cut the eyes out of live potatoes; it should be banned
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Re: Kind to lobsters

Are they going to provide guidance on the killing of insects in a humane manner next?
All mosquitos and horse flies must be stunned before you can smash them with a fly swatter.
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Are they going to provide guidance on the killing of insects in a humane manner next?
All mosquitos and horse flies must be stunned before you can smash them with a fly swatter.
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I think that we need to rename this thread, given the input so far...
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These lobsters that you get deep frozen are actually Verboten anyway, the laws say that a lobster has to be over 700 grams before it can be caught, anything under that should be thrown back.

just saying.
Um, no?

From the US to the UK is the minimum landing size agreed to be 87mm. Anything smaller is a shrimp.

https://www.gov.je/Environment/LandM...s/Lobster.aspx
http://www.ne-ifca.gov.uk/minimum-landing-sizes/
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Re: Kind to lobsters

I grew up on a farm and watched my Father slaughter the selected for the cull, sheep, that would land up on our table. My younger brother and I, mucky little buggers we were, would eagerly wait for Dad to get to the part where he took all the innards out and turf them to the side, we had a game we played, we raced to be first to find the water bag (bladder) and try to be the first to jump on it and try to squirt the other one. We were children, so please don't think too badly of us.
We also took a great interest in the rest of the guts, as well, the inner workings of any creature is a fascinating thing, well I thought so anyway.

We had pigs as well, and the poor unfortunate male piglets were castrated in those days without anasthetic, I'm not sure who screamed and sweated the most, the poor piglet or my brother who had to hold him tight for the process.

We also had a fresh water stream running through the farm and as a child, I would lure out the freshwater lobsters from their hidey hole with a piece of meat tied to a length of string, whip them out and put them in my little bucket of water to take home, proud as punch to give the family a treat, my Dad especially enjoyed them, present them to my Mother, who in every other aspect of life was a most kind and gentle person except when it came to the Lobster.
I never could quite reconcile myself with these two people, as it seemed to me she was, when she would unceremoniously plunge them into the boiling pot of water.
Myself, I never ate the Lobster, just didn't like it, but took a perverse delight in cracking the spindly little legs open and getting those last little morsels out to be eaten.

I used to go fishing as well, in the hope ( knowledge actually, my hooks and bait were deliberately useless) that I never actually would get a bite, as I knew there was no way I could kill it, I just enjoyed going through the motions and the quiet of it.
I have always had a queer relationship to meat of all kind, knowing how they died and were then butchered to be made made into our meals.

As a youngster, I didn't feel I had the voice to protest this order of life and death, as well, hypocrite that I was/am I enjoyed a lot of the meals made from them.
Still, even then there there was always a nagging inside that it could/should be done painlesslyl and in a more respectful way. I liked to read about the American Indians as well as other cultures and their customs regarding respecting
nature and it's bounty.

Farming is not very kind to it's animals, although I must say here, my Dad did his utmost to do the whole process as methodically and quickly as possible to reduce suffering and everything was used "snout to tail" what we didn't eat, the dogs or chooks would finish off and my sister even tanned the sheep skins, smelly and hard work.
She did the same with the rabbits she trapped. She killed, skun and presented them to Mum to be eaten. She was religious about getting up at first light to check her traps and bonk them on the head to put them out
of their misery ( indeed, misery!!) I never could have done it, but in those days she got paid for every rabbit skin she had from the Government, due to huge overpopulation, so that was her incentive and they are a big problem.

So to conclude after all the reminiscing and long winded ramble, this thread made me think of a possible foil to the plight of the Lobster, manually putting them in a deep trance before the plunge, heres a link on how it's done if
anyone is interested. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...osistheendofth

I don't actually know if they are truly so deep in sleep that they feel nothing, but it sounds logical to me and if it saves them from suffering, I just feel it behooves us to try any method to lessen/ eradicate the pain and probably eat them with a slightly better concience than by not doing so. I believe they would taste better as well, no nasty adrenaline rush, to spoil the meat.

In regard to the cutting the eyes out of live potatoes, have a gander at this book https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&rct=j...cGJaNFWEvFjflu

Food for thought ;-)

Have a good rest of your Friday.
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Old 12.01.2018, 16:09
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Um, no?

From the US to the UK is the minimum landing size agreed to be 87mm. Anything smaller is a shrimp.

https://www.gov.je/Environment/LandM...s/Lobster.aspx
http://www.ne-ifca.gov.uk/minimum-landing-sizes/
Found something. For Lobsters the size is 11cm minimum.
Mindestmaße und Schonzeiten (Küste) in Schleswig-Holstein
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Einige Fische unterliegen in Schleswig-Holstein einem bestimmten Mindestmaß oder einer bestimmten Schonzeit.

In dieser Tabelle findet ihr alles, was ihr über die Fische und Krebse für die Küstenfischerei in Schleswig-Holstein wissen müsst.

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Aal 45cm
Aalmutter 15.September bis 31. Januar 23cm
Alse, Maifisch ganzjährig geschont
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Dorsch (Kabeljau), Nordsee 35cm
Dorsch (Kabeljau), Ostsee 38cm
Finte (Nordsee) 30cm
Flunder (Nordsee)
Flunder (Ostsee)
Flunder (Trave und Schlei)
Flunder (weiblich) 1.Februar bis 30. April 25cm
Glattbutt 30cm
Hecht 15. Februar bis 30.April 45cm
Hering, Nordsee
Hering, Ostsee
Lachs 1. Oktober bis 31. Dezember 60cm
Makrele (Nordsee) 30cm
Meeräsche 40cm
Meerforelle 1. Oktober bis 31. Dezember 40cm
Nordseeschnäpel ganzjährig geschont
Ostseeschnäpel 1. Dezember bis 28. Februar 40cm
Quappe (Elbe und Nebengewässer) ganzjährig geschont
Scharbe, Kliesche
Schellfisch (Nordsee) 30cm
Scholle, Goldbutt (Nordsee) 27cm
Scholle, Goldbutt (Nordsee, weiblich) 27cm
Scholle, Goldbutt (Ostsee) 25cm
Scholle, Goldbutt (Ostsee, weiblich) 25cm
Seebarsch, Wolfsbarsch 36cm
Seezunge 24cm
Steinbutt (Ostsee) 30cm
Stör ganzjährig geschont
Wels 70cm
Wittling (Nordsee)
Wittling (Ostsee)
Zährte ganzjährig geschont
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Neunaugen
Bach- Flussneunauge ganzjährig geschont
Meerneunauge ganzjährig geschont
Krebse
Hummer (Nordsee) 5. Juni bis 31. August 11cm
Hummer (eiertragend, weiblich, Nordsee) ganzjährig geschont
Flusskrebs ganzjährig geschont
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Old 12.01.2018, 16:17
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They obviously have no idea about shellfish. Life was so much easier when there was just potatoes and cheese.

All this foreign stuff is so complicated.
It is also extremely cruel to cook vegetables while still alive.

That's why its better to wait until they die and go mouldy, as Migros already does.
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Old 12.01.2018, 16:32
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It is also extremely cruel to cook vegetables while still alive.

That's why its better to wait until they die and go mouldy, as Migros already does.
Cheese tastes better when it's gone mouldy.



I overheard a Swiss couple in Lidl before Christmas. They were in hysterics holding a wedge of Stilton and saying that they couldn't believe that a supermarket was allowed to sell mouldy cheese.
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Re: Kind to lobsters

The most hypocritical law ever.
The lobsters lovers should form the pro-choice advocacy group which will advocate an efficient procedure where a suction tube is inserted into a lobster exoskeleton, and powerful vacuum tears and dismembers the body of it, sucking the pieces into an attached jar.
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Recently my boyfriend told me about this new law... and he said now he is imagining poor lobster in the corner and few people pointing at it with riffles :P
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Re: Kind to lobsters

What an incredibly prescient thread, given how vital lobsters are now to fourth-wave feminism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcj...utu.be&t=27m8s

Let me just get this straight, you're saying we should organize our societies along the lines of the lobsters...
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What an incredibly prescient thread, given how vital lobsters are now to fourth-wave feminism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcj...utu.be&t=27m8s

Let me just get this straight, you're saying we should organize our societies along the lines of the lobsters...
to be fair, a lobster would have been a better interviewer than that woman.
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to be fair, a lobster would have been a better interviewer than that woman.
i just watched some of the other interview and it seems to go on for ages along the lines of:

woman: "so what do you say about the 9% wage gap between men and women"?

man: "well, analysis has shown that actually not..."

woman: "so you're saying all women should be slaves and are worthless?!"

man: "no that's not what- "

woman: "but you just said lobster which means that you hate all women"

man: "well actually, that's not what i said and anyway even if i did, it wouldn't logically follow"

ok. not quite like that but along those lines.
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Re: Kind to lobsters

I think she was channeling Alan Partridge. Some of her petulant mannerisms when it was all going wrong (which was all the time) were uncannily similar.




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Re: Kind to lobsters

You can trace a bad journalist/interviewer by how much they misinterpret the views of the respondent. Scandalizing, projecting, etc. Hers is pretty textbook, dogmatic. Paraphrasing she certainly wasn't.

I like the poetry of seafood in a gender equality discourse. I think using animals and biology in these politicized issues is healthy.
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You can trace a bad journalist/interviewer by how much they misinterpret the views of the respondent. Scandalizing, projecting, etc. Hers is pretty textbook, dogmatic. Paraphrasing she certainly wasn't.

I like the poetry of seafood in a gender equality discourse. I think using animals and biology in these politicized issues is healthy.
Using the term "seafood" implies they are dead, maybe even already fried?
Might be more poetic to use something like "marine life"?
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I don't really eat lobster, and I've never cooked it, but I thought chefs just stabbed them in the head.
Went lobster catching one time in my life. You wait until an extra low tide and then seek under rocks.

Brought my catch home and my ex wife insisted I kill it before cooking.

Lobsters have a very hard shell and head, they probably suffer more from attempts to kill them than in the actual cooking
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Went lobster catching one time in my life. You wait until an extra low tide and then seek under rocks.

Brought my catch home and my ex wife insisted I kill it before cooking.

Lobsters have a very hard shell and head, they probably suffer more from attempts to kill them than in the actual cooking
Yup, you cook them alive. Makes me cringe but "c'est la vie" as 10yr olds say.

Marine life sounds ultimately more poetic.

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What an incredibly prescient thread, given how vital lobsters are now to fourth-wave feminism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcj...utu.be&t=27m8s

Let me just get this straight, you're saying we should organize our societies along the lines of the lobsters...
I could not figure out how the lobsters got into the interview, tbh.

And now I find out that Jordan Peterson made it into the how to kill lobsters properly subject.

It must be me, maybe it's time to go to bed

And "fourth-wave feminism" .... they're ahead of the world wars now, are they?
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