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As for the white bar, it forces one to stop before the actual turning has started and thus avoids the front corner of the car being in the other lane, something which is likely to happen if people would be allowed to stop a little further where they already have started to take the turn. Perhaps in the past some accidents have happened causing the Swiss to start placing such lines.
Usually the white bars force you to stop in order to not block other traffic, usually coming from the side(s). For instance in case of large crossings, though they're disregarded all too often.

Perhaps a situation like this is intended, just that the markings haven't been completed, it's effectively the same situation except for the inexistent ban on turning left (and the different marks, obviously). That would also explain the missing diagonal bars to the left towards the pedestrian strip.
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Usually the white bars force you to stop in order to not block other traffic, usually coming from the side(s). For instance in case of large crossings, though they're disregarded all too often.

Perhaps a situation like this is intended, just that the markings haven't been completed, it's effectively the same situation except for the inexistent ban on turning left (and the different marks, obviously). That would also explain the missing diagonal bars to the left towards the pedestrian strip.
What makes you believe the markings aren't completed?
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Let me repeat myself:
Because they make no sense to me.
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Let me repeat myself:
Because they make no sense to me.
It is the on coming traffic which forces you to stop. If there is oncoming traffic you must stop and yield. Next question is where to stop. To simplify the though process and to guide people there is a white bar on the ground. If there were no bar it would be an indicator that you had the priority over the oncoming traffic.

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What makes you believe the markings aren't completed?
Because the remaining stump-lane is a complete dead-end, and in theory you are not allowed to merge back into the right side lane. Sure, the ground marking indicate you must turn left. normally such stumps are blocked off like here https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.51633.../data=!3m1!1e3

An other option is to make good use of the stump and make a merging lane for the left turning traffic from the south. Like this one.
https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.33926.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Because the remaining stump-lane is a complete dead-end, and in theory you are not allowed to merge back into the right side lane. Sure, the ground marking indicate you must turn left. normally such stumps are blocked off like here https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.51633.../data=!3m1!1e3
That would just clarify things, but legally make no difference. It would even be nice if they would place some nice plants on them.

Personally I'd place a big arrow pointing towards the left right on the street where OP came out of, since solid lines and two signs do not seem to be enough.

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Have a go at this one and let us know how you get on with fines.

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...wed-times.html
I know. Lucky.... so far! fingers crossed!

But i do seem to be catching up.

I never had neighbour troubles for the eight years i lived in CH - had them last year. Ditto for traffic offences - got one this year.

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Personally I'd place a big arrow pointing towards the left on the street where OP came out of, ....
You mean RIGHT, right?


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You mean RIGHT, right?
Lol, yeah, noticed it when I just reread my post.

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You like your woman old fashioned and not up to date I see
Am pretty old fashioned myself - still believe in 'outdated' stuff like chivalry
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Am pretty old fashioned myself - still believe in 'outdated' stuff like chivalry
What about courtly love?
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Well count yourself lucky. Just got a fine through the post for 70.- because I missed my SCAN appointment- as OH unexpectedly had severe health problems a few days before my own hospitalisation for knee replacement.

THAT sucks, and no-one was ever put in any danger. Ah well, never mind
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Hope you and OH are doing well now, Odile.
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Today, i get a bill for CHF 300 from canton Lausanne - the first one was from canton Fribourg.

Not so lucky, after all !!
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Were the right-turn signs covered?

Looking at streetview, seems quite possible at least one was overgrown.

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Makes no difference, as a driver you should know that where there are no road signs, you must follow what the road markings indicate, unless instructed otherwise by police, emergency personnel or road work signalisation.
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Today, i get a bill for CHF 300 from canton Lausanne - the first one was from canton Fribourg.

Not so lucky, after all !!
Still lucky. As you only got a "rappel la prudence" Art.16a Al. 4 LCR but not a "avertissement" Art. 16a Al. 1 LCR https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classifi...ndex.html#a16a.
https://bdlf.fr.ch/frontend/versions...rt18?locale=fr

Also lucky that Fribourg OCN acted so quickly and did not wait for the verdict from Vaud/Lausanne. The usual way is normally that you get the verdict from the place where you did the dirty deed, and after that the administrative measure from the SAN/OCN/StVA/MFK where you live.

Be aware that in the worst case you might get an other letter from OCN as they are not aware that it is the same case.
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

One of my friend, while reversing (As per him, he was driving at less than 20km/hr), hit a traffic sign and caused it to up root. As in the sign fell off on the ground. He tried and kept it back in its place and left. This was two weeks back. Yesterday, he got a call from the police and was called for a meeting. His statement was recorded and was told that his case would go to the court. He is wondering what kind of fine he should expect and how long would it take for it to be decided.
 

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