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Old 23.02.2018, 17:50
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Expected fines / punishments?

Goofed up and crossed TWO thick white lines by mistake (red arrow, in pic below), and as luck would have it, a police car was driving along just there (blue rectangular-ish squiggle in pic)

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Was stopped and questioned by the Police Officer

PO: Mister, do you know why we have stopped you?
Me: Yes, sir. I very well understand my fault, but this is the 1st time i'm here, and my GPS told me to turn left, and after i realised i crossed the white line, there was incoming traffic from my left, so i had no choice but to proceed.

After which the PO checked license, car papers, took all my details etc etc and said that he understood very well my problem, but a fault is a fault, and that 'they' will decide, depending on my past record the fine and the punishment.

This is my first offence - so, what am i in for?
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Old 23.02.2018, 19:06
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

Not good.

Not sure what your level of FR is but it is considered "grave" and "pénale".

"Attention à certains comportements, par exemple au franchissement d’une ligne blanche (a fortiori d’une double ligne), qui sont considérés comme graves et entraînent une sanction par la voie d’une ordonnance pénale pouvant aller (théoriquement) jusqu’à trois ans de prison."

This is one of the last paragraphes on this link (scroll down):http://www.sos-permis.ch/sanctions-encourues/

A couple of other sites suggest that the outcome will be decided (loss of permit, fine etc.) by the justice and the Fribourg automobile system (service des autos).

If it helps, in Geneva (2015) it cost CHF 500 (before ViaSicura) - according to one article I found.
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Old 23.02.2018, 19:23
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

I was fined 750 CHF a couple of years ago for crossing the solid white line in (IMO) a non-dangerous situation. I pleaded ignorance to the seriousness of the offence, which of course isn't much of a defence, but I couldn't think of any decent excuse that might have garnered any sympathy.
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Old 23.02.2018, 19:48
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

Were the right-turn signs covered?

Looking at streetview, seems quite possible at least one was overgrown.

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Old 23.02.2018, 20:01
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

As there was most likely a "don't turn left" sign



or a turn right only sign



right in front of your nose at the Route de la maladière you won't get away with it, sorry.

ASwissinUS will no doubt soon come up with all the possible charges

Send the bill to the manufacturer of your navi. It should not tell you to turn left there!!!
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

Whoa, weird - checked again and there's someone on Streetview doing exactly the same thing!!

It's not you is it?

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Old 23.02.2018, 21:24
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

Thanks all for the replies.

1. I did not notice any `turn right` sign, and certainly no `left turn interdit` sign.
2. I am not the black SUV.
3. The Right Turn sign may have been overgrown - usually i'm an attentive driver.

In such a case, when its my first offence, can i expect any leniency at all? I guess i must be ready to shell out 500 +, also a licence withdrawal. But prison??
I did ask the PO if this will go on my record, and he categorically said NO. Does this not preclude prison?

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Old 23.02.2018, 21:36
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Thanks all for the replies.

1. I did not notice any `turn right` sign, and certainly no `left turn interdit` sign.
2. I am not the black SUV.
3. The Right Turn sign may have been overgrown - usually i'm an attentive driver.

In such a case, when its my first offence, can i expect any leniency at all? I guess i must be ready to shell out 500 +, also a licence withdrawal. But prison??
I did ask the PO if this will go on my record, and he categorically said NO. Does this not preclude prison?
It sounds to me that it's worth going back and check the things we've mentioned. If any signs are overgrown take a picture (they may not be anymore by the time you want to argue your point).

Still, here one is told that a drawn line on the street is to be treated like a wall, so .......

Sorry, can't tell you about prices.
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Old 23.02.2018, 22:03
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Still, here one is told that a drawn line on the street is to be treated like a wall, so .......
There IS a dashed line next to the thick white line i crossed, on the wrong side of the thick white, as i NOW see
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

Dude don't let them destroy your weekend.
This is a typical first time punishment... arround 700chf (fine and expenses).
You won't give your license for sure but maybe they will add "Suspension"

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Old 23.02.2018, 22:35
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There IS a dashed line next to the thick white line i crossed, on the wrong side of the thick white, as i NOW see
Tztztz, you should sue them

That's for those turning left, they even got their own turn-left-track.

But as Tonest said: Don't let it ruin your week-end. What's done is done. The decision will arrive and you turning it over and over in your mind now won't change a darn thing. You might as well relax.

If you insist you can always study this and learn German in the process (as you live in the French part you may not speak German yet).
But I wouldn't advise it, it's bad for your health and not really useful before you get the verdict.
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Re: Expected fines / punishments?

Prison is highly unlikely. I think the worse you'll suffer if chf 700 and maybe a 1 month ban.
If you can convince them you need your licence for your job, they may increase the fine but not ban you.

I wouldn't look for excuses, rarely works here, but apologise, say it was a one off error as you weren't familiar with the area and hope for the best.
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Old 23.02.2018, 22:59
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Just by curiosity OP, which GPS you were using? Google maps?
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Old 23.02.2018, 23:09
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Prison is highly unlikely. I think the worse you'll suffer if chf 700 and maybe a 1 month ban.
If you can convince them you need your licence for your job, they may increase the fine but not ban you.

I wouldn't look for excuses, rarely works here, but apologise, say it was a one off error as you weren't familiar with the area and hope for the best.
Prison? No way. That would cost the state money. They don't do that for these things. OP, were you worried about prison?!

They don't even let you got to prison if you want to . The verdicts usually say xxx franks or yyy days prison. I had one of those once when I was very young and unemployed = I had lots of time. I thought it would be interesting to spend 10 days in prison plus I'd save not only the money for the fine but also for the food etc. for the time. So I called the judge and told him I chose prison. He was very (VERY, rofl) startled, then said that is only possible if I can prove I don't have the money to pay the fine - as this would cost the state money (riiiight, I thought ). So there went my chance to make a new experience.

This case can't really be argued unless all the signs have been grown over which I doubt very much and you are definitely a stranger to this town which is hard to prove unless you're a tourist, which you are not.
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Because it would have been inside-knowledge. And we're talking Swiss prison here (I would not have come out harmed).
And because I believed back then as well as today, that first hand information is the only real information. So when I can - without getting seriously harmed - that's how I try to get my information.
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Just by curiosity OP, which GPS you were using? Google maps?
Therein lies the rub. Garmin NUVI - a 2009 model with 2011 maps!!

I have purchased two more since then, moderately expensive ones with free map updates for the lifetime of the product, and both died within months of the 2 year warranty

So, i have fallen back on old faithful.
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Not good.

Not sure what your level of FR is but it is considered "grave" and "pénale".

"Attention à certains comportements, par exemple au franchissement d’une ligne blanche (a fortiori d’une double ligne), qui sont considérés comme graves et entraînent une sanction par la voie d’une ordonnance pénale pouvant aller (théoriquement) jusqu’à trois ans de prison."
"Upto three years in prison"

But yes, i guess it will be chuffs plus maybe ban. let's see.

Will update.

BTW, this discussion does not 'destroy' my weekend - in fact, thanks to regular meditation, nothing destroys weekends or any other days for that matter.

But for meditation, i would have fled back to the comforts of my homeland long ago.

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that street view is from 2013!!
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Were the right-turn signs covered?

Looking at streetview, seems quite possible at least one was overgrown.

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I did it once, CHF 40 fine.

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