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bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

Hi EF! thanks for any help you can give me with this problem.

i put some wet jogging pants on my convection heater and disaster! they dried out and left a massive blue-dye tatoo on the heater. it doesn't come off with soap and water.

i would like to ask if anyone has any idea what to do? a specific cleaning product or maybe even paint? or maybe the part needs replacing?

if anyone thinks they can do it even, i would appreciate that, and will pay for that (obviously)

also: i live in rented accom. is this kind of problem covered by my insurance which is a pretty standard type of home contents damage cover?
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

may be try to clean with strong alcohol or nail polish remover (the water to remove nail polish) ?
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may be try to clean with strong alcohol or nail polish remover (the water to remove nail polish) ?
Yes to the Alcohol, definite no to the nail polish remover. (definite no!)

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Turn the heating off/wait until the heating season is over. Once the heater has cooled try with some Enka (Oxalic acid) first, then with Brennsprit and a microfiber cloth.
Failing that, try some nevrdull or similar


(Try on a hidden bit at the back first, to make sure that it doesn't lift the paint).
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...(Try on a hidden bit at the back first, to make sure that it doesn't lift the paint).
Whatever you do, this advice is the most important! I even changed the size and made it bold for emphasis.

My suggestion is the Mr Clean Magic Eraser, although I am not sure if those exist in CH or what they are called here.
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My suggestion is the Mr Clean Magic Eraser, although I am not sure if those exist in CH or what they are called here.
They're called "Schmutzradierer" here https://www.coopathome.ch/de/superma...BCck/p/3431884

At least I think that's more or less the same thing.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

Have you tried acetone?
It's probably available from many places, but I would only know the apotheke.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

If you want to try it with nevrdull, I got a whole tin here. I can send it to you.
It didn't work on my problem (Jag tells everyone to use nevrdull ) but it might work for you. Send me pm if you want it.

As to painting: Be very careful chosing the paint for doing that!

Yes, probably a case for your liability insurance if nothing else works. But - in case you would like to do this again - you might want to wait having it done/payed by them until you move out.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

...and get yourself a clothes horse to dry your laundry in your appt.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

...and possibly read the label that says "do not put clothes on this convector heater"...

It will come off. As others have said, you need the right stuff to move the stain not the paint.

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Have you tried acetone?
It's probably available from many places, but I would only know the apotheke.
I bought some at Bau and Hobby.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

Someone told me to use hairspray when we had graffiti put on our car with a permanent marker. It worked a treat and no damage to the paint. Make sure the heater is off though!
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Have you tried acetone?
It's probably available from many places, but I would only know the apotheke.
Acetone is a main component of nail polish remover, which others are warning against using.
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Someone told me to use hairspray when we had graffiti put on our car with a permanent marker. It worked a treat and no damage to the paint. Make sure the heater is off though!
That's interesting. Please give details:
Did you spray it on the car, then wipe it? Or did you spray it on the cloth?
I imagine this could make a major difference.

So please tell, I want to try this on something I have a stain-problem with.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

I sprayed it on the car then quickly wiped it off with a dry cloth. Don't do it in bright sunshine or hot temperature or it will dry too quickly. It left no trace for me but you could wash with soapy water after if a residue remains. I guess its probably sensible to try an unseen area first but it worked a treat on the car, nothing else I tried worked. It wasn't a huge area though (1 sq foot), I'd have probably gone to a specialist had it been.
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I sprayed it on the car then quickly wiped it off with a dry cloth. Don't do it in bright sunshine or hot temperature or it will dry too quickly. It left no trace for me but you could wash with soapy water after if a residue remains. I guess its probably sensible to try an unseen area first but it worked a treat on the car, nothing else I tried worked. It wasn't a huge area though (1 sq foot), I'd have probably gone to a specialist had it been.
Interesting. I've never tried that.

The OP's problem is a different one though. A dye (as opposed to a paint) has transferred to the radiator.

The problem with using a solvent when you're trying to remove a dye is that there is a risk of the solvent spreading the dye out, without removing it, or the solvent lifting the dye, but otherwise changing the underlying paint. If you can thin and spread the dye out enough that it becomes invisible then that will work, but only if you can find a solvent which will dissolve the dye, but not the paint.

Alcohol won't touch most paints (but it will dissolve shellac). Same goes for Turpentine. The next weapon is Naptha (Coleman fuel) but that will usually soften a paint that isn't a polymer. Acetone is too "hot" a solvent for most anything other than powder coating.

The reason I suggest Alcohol is that the dye is at least mildly water soluble (That's how it got from the clothing to the heater) and alcohol is pretty close to water, as solvents go.

Your graffiti problem may have been solved with a clay bar, or even Margarine, but I may try the hairspray trick.

Polish will work if the stain is only on the very top layer of the paint (which is often a layer of dirt and oxydised paint), so polishing it effectively sands that layer off.
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The reason I suggest Alcohol is that the dye is at least mildly water soluble (That's how it got from the clothing to the heater) and alcohol is pretty close to water, as solvents go.
I agree with you on alcohol because it's used extensively in (wet processing) photographic darkrooms to clean glass and acetate sheets that are going to come into contact with film or print paper.

Found this on another forum which may be of some help... http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=2296969

I recently had an issue with some kind of marker pen on ceramic wall tiles. I tried everything in the kitchen cupboard, plus nail varnish remover, until my joiner recommended UPVC cleaner which worked like a dream.
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Interesting. I've never tried that.

The OP's problem is a different one though. A dye (as opposed to a paint) has transferred to the radiator.

The problem with using a solvent when you're trying to remove a dye is that there is a risk of the solvent spreading the dye out, without removing it, or the solvent lifting the dye, but otherwise changing the underlying paint. If you can thin and spread the dye out enough that it becomes invisible then that will work, but only if you can find a solvent which will dissolve the dye, but not the paint.

Alcohol won't touch most paints (but it will dissolve shellac). Same goes for Turpentine. The next weapon is Naptha (Coleman fuel) but that will usually soften a paint that isn't a polymer. Acetone is too "hot" a solvent for most anything other than powder coating.

The reason I suggest Alcohol is that the dye is at least mildly water soluble (That's how it got from the clothing to the heater) and alcohol is pretty close to water, as solvents go.


Your graffiti problem may have been solved with a clay bar, or even Margarine, but I may try the hairspray trick.

Polish will work if the stain is only on the very top layer of the paint (which is often a layer of dirt and oxydised paint), so polishing it effectively sands that layer off.
Isn't that contradictory and not a good solution for OP's heater?

While OP has lost all interest this is becoming a pretty interesting thread. I wonder what UPVC cleaner would be in German, maybe even which product here in Switzerland?

edit: what does the u stand for in upvc?
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Isn't that contradictory and not a good solution for OP's heater?

While OP has lost all interest this is becoming a pretty interesting thread. I wonder what UPVC cleaner would be in German, maybe even which product here in Switzerland?

edit: what does the u stand for in upvc?
No, not contradictory. It'll probably dissolve the dye without dissolving the paint.

UPVC: Unplasticized polyvinyl chloride (i.e. hard PVC)

Probably the Mellerud Kunsstoff Reiniger in Coop, but that is more of a soap (nichtionische Tenside). If you google "upvc cleaner msds" you'll see that most of them have some kind of an alcohol as a solvent, but only in small quantities.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

Bicarbonate of Soda (baking powder) and vinegar remove most stains.
You could also try Ammonia.
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Re: bad clothes-dye stain on my convection heater!

What material is the convection heater?

I had some colour transfer from dark jeans(even though I dry then inside out and they have been washed before) on the inside of the door of the clothes dryer.

Initially I tried the magic white sponge but that did not work.

I used a product designed to clean plastic and the dye came off right away. Here is a link to the product:
http://www.whatsinsidescjohnson.com/...uscle-wega-nof

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