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It would be 4.30am sunrise without summertime in Zürich.

And in the most eastern part of Switzerland, you might get a first glimpse of light as early as before 4am

Sweden gets - North of Stockholm at least - hardly much darkness during June/July..
05:25 is the earliest sunrise in Scuol this year (at the summer solstice). 04:25 if you scrap summer time.

Don't scrap summer time.
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Old 25.03.2018, 23:51
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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

U.K difference of time something to do with Scottish farmers. Care to elaborate anyone? I forgot what the story is but I like the idea of Scots annoying the English from time to time.
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U.K difference of time something to do with Scottish farmers. Care to elaborate anyone? I forgot what the story is but I like the idea of Scots annoying the English from time to time.
Do you mean the difference between UK and central European time? That's purely down to geography. The UK (including Scotland ) shares a similar longitude, and time zone, with Ireland, Portugal, the Canaries, the Faroe Islands and some countries in western Africa.
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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

Doesn't affect me as I'm in S. Africa this time of year which has the same time zone as European summer.

Unlike the rest of Europe I have LP time, which is the period from the Sunday to Monday when the clocks go back. I put mine back on the Monday as I see no point in an extra hour in bed on a Sunday

It's getting harder to do mind since most of my electronic stuff and clocks all now adjust automatically so I just have to only look at my watch instead!
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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

It's not the putting the clocks forwards or backwards which get me, it's my blxxdy oven that destroys my peaceful acceptance of this twice annual piece of needed action.
This oven clock/timer has, I'm pretty sure, been designed by someone who is/was of the opinion that only extremely highly-technically IT trained cooks, housewives, housemen and representatives of software firms should be allowed to perform the yearly required adjustments.
Each spring and each autumn sees me taking out the instruction booklet in order to perform the magic required to set the new time. You may well say 'leave it be' as many people do, but as I tend to take a last glimpse of this clock before I go to the station I do prefer a guarantee of punctuality and assurance that my physical movements will be met with success.
This booklet, this mine of information, is split into two parts as far as the oven clock is concerned. There is the part for those moments when there is a sudden power failure and there is a part for all the other combinations of time-keeping for cooking purposes.
No matter which procedure is followed there is a procession of blinking red lights, all in different positions and a whole series of bells and whistles informing the practitioner that he or she is proceeding correctly or not. I normally take a chair to sit in front of the oven just to make sure that I'm seated comfortably in case the intended correction takes a little longer than expected. This is of course based on years of experience.
Yesterday I was lucky, I'd hardly sat down when it was time to get onto my feet again. Such moments make one very proud. Although I must admit I had a problem with my new fix-line telephone directly afterwards. It was evening before I managed to change the hour on the screen, accompanied by the thought 'how did I do that?'
One is of course torn these days between the thought of having nothing to do with modern life when spring and autumn come along or living a life attuned to the rise and fall of the sun.


There is a plan to rip out our kitchens (and bathrooms) in 2020 and replace with modern examples. Judging by those advertising materials which I find in my mailbox, life will be getting extremely difficult. Most of the pictured and advertised equipment/units/boxes/and whatever in these adverts are completely unknown to me - not only in name but also in purpose. Up until now I've managed my life well. I don't need any blinking lights or audible signals - at least the bicycle bell has remained the same (I hope).


Two push buttons would do for me - one for up and one for down.

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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

Yes thats a bummer. I also have to set the time on the oven. It takes a maximum of 2 seconds to set it!
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It's not the putting the clocks forwards or backwards which get me, it's my blxxdy oven that destroys my peaceful acceptance of this twice annual piece of needed action.
This oven clock/timer has, I'm pretty sure, been designed by someone who is/was of the opinion that only extremely highly-technically IT trained cooks, housewives, housemen and representatives of software firms should be allowed to perform the yearly required adjustments.
Each spring and each autumn sees me taking out the instruction booklet in order to perform the magic required to set the new time. You may well say 'leave it be' as many people do, but as I tend to take a last glimpse of this clock before I go to the station I do prefer a guarantee of punctuality and assurance that my physical movements will be met with success.
This booklet, this mine of information, is split into two parts as far as the oven clock is concerned. There is the part for those moments when there is a sudden power failure and there is a part for all the other combinations of time-keeping for cooking purposes.
No matter which procedure is followed there is a procession of blinking red lights, all in different positions and a whole series of bells and whistles informing the practitioner that he or she is proceeding correctly or not. I normally take a chair to sit in front of the oven just to make sure that I'm seated comfortably in case the intended correction takes a little longer than expected. This is of course based on years of experience.
Yesterday I was lucky, I'd hardly sat down when it was time to get onto my feet again. Such moments make one very proud. Although I must admit I had a problem with my new telephone directly afterwards. It was evening before I managed to change the hour on the screen, accompanied by the thought 'how did I do that?'
One is of course torn these days between the thought of having nothing to do with modern life when spring and autumn come along or living a life attuned to the rise and fall of the sun.


There is a plan to rip out our kitchens (and bathrooms) in 2020 and replace with modern examples. Judging by those advertising materials which I find in my mailbox, life will be getting extremely difficult. Most of the pictured and advertised equipment/units/boxes/and whatever in these adverts are completely unknown to me - not only in name but also in purpose. Up until now I've managed my life well. I don't need any blinking lights or audible signals - at least the bicycle bell has remained the same (I hope).


Two push buttons would do for me - one for up and one for down.
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Old 26.03.2018, 09:53
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U.K difference of time something to do with Scottish farmers. Care to elaborate anyone? I forgot what the story is but I like the idea of Scots annoying the English from time to time.
It's all farmers isn't it? And so kids aren't walking home from school in the dark?

Meh. It's twice a year. Many knotted knickers over this. Surely it's a FWP?
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It's not the putting the clocks forwards or backwards which get me, it's my blxxdy oven that destroys my peaceful acceptance of this twice annual piece of needed action.
This oven clock/timer has, I'm pretty sure, been designed by someone who is/was of the opinion that only extremely highly-technically IT trained cooks, housewives, housemen and representatives of software firms should be allowed to perform the yearly required adjustments......
Well according to this it has probably been showing the wrong time since January anyway...
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Old 26.03.2018, 11:04
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And so kids aren't walking home from school in the dark?
Permanent BST has been called for by the shandy drinking southerners for quite a while. It would boost the London economy.

Meanwhile, in points further north (of Watford Gap) and west (of Heathrow) it'd be dark well past 9am.

There are studies that show more kids would be killed in a morning but more than that would survive on the way home.
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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

Why don't we just move by 30 min next time and then just stop there?

Surely cows get pissed off having to be milked an hour earlier, and the hedgehogs get flat pissed when traffic passes by an hour earlier, not to mention my kids suddenly have turned into teenagers all on account of a hour time change.

Anyway Switzerland won't have much choice if Europe eventually cancels this, at least I would hope no referendum would be needed

This is what the EU is up to at the moment
1. Calls on the Commission to conduct a thorough assessment of Directive 2000/84/EC on summer-time arrangements and, if necessary, come up with a proposal for its revision;
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Why don't we just move by 30 min next time and then just stop there?


This is what the EU is up to at the moment
1. Calls on the Commission to conduct a thorough assessment of Directive 2000/84/EC on summer-time arrangements and, if necessary, come up with a proposal for its revision;
One can just wonder how much time & money it will cost?
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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

why not move the clock every day at 2 PM one hour forward and at 2 AM one hour back.

Advantages:
- it's earlier late
- later dark
- 1 hour less work
- 1 hour more sleep

i'm really brilliant!
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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

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Twice a year for six months at a time.

It's not the same as jet lag, as the amount of daylight in the morning and evening changes as well as the time, whereas only the time changes with jetlag, so apples/oranges.

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And it is taken VERY seriously in Switzerland!


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Negative effects? Like getting up an hour "earlier" once a year? On a Sunday? It's not as if you could have a lie in... wait... maybe...
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why not move the clock every day at 2 PM one hour forward and at 2 AM one hour back.

Advantages:
- it's earlier late
- later dark
- 1 hour less work
- 1 hour more sleep

i'm really brilliant!
Well Sunday morning I was supposed to move all my clocks forward 1 hour. But I didn't so I got a proper 8 hours sleep. But I did move them forward one hour at 2 on Sunday afternoon when I had promised to mow the lawn, and of course that hour didn't then exist to do it, so I didn't. Great result!
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Re: Summertime-putting the clocks forward

You don't mow lawns on a Sunday here in Switzerland.
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Well Sunday morning I was supposed to move all my clocks forward 1 hour. But I didn't so I got a proper 8 hours sleep. But I did move them forward one hour at 2 on Sunday afternoon when I had promised to mow the lawn, and of course that hour didn't then exist to do it, so I didn't. Great result!
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You don't mow lawns on a Sunday here in Switzerland.
Zurich =/= Switzerland

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Zurich =/= Switzerland

HTH
Not to mention, grumpy probably meant Nederland.

Absolute brilliant idea of grumpy - now I wish we'd change the clocks more often
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Who knows!

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