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Old 11.04.2018, 23:12
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I'd have thought that a school can ban whatever they choose from their premises as long as it's private property. Perhaps there is a board of governors that would be sympathetic?

The way I would frame the issue would be as if it were students drinking alcohol on the premises. The issue is quite similar when you think about it. It's legal to drink alcohol, and even though it may already be banned on the school premises, how would you respond if a student were drinking non-alcoholic lager in the canteen. It looks and smells the same as lager, but the only way you can tell the difference is by the packaging, if the student was drunk, or if you consumed it yourself.
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So let's say I'm waiting for a bus near a group of cigarette smokers and I smell pot. How do I know if it's the legal kind or not? I'm already not thrilled about all the cigarette smoke but now I have hanf smoke to deal with as well.

Vocational and higher education schools that allow smoking areas are currently dealing with this issue as well. School directors have received many complaints about the smell of hanf cigarettes in close vicinity to the school. No one really knows if the smell comes from the legal hanf cigarettes or illegal joints without closer observation.

So what to do? I personally think hanf cigarettes should not be allowed due to the difficulty in distinguishing between joints and the legal stuff. Also, I can't stand the smell.

Simply put: I don't think that's how freedom works. Things should generally be allowed as long as there is no reason to ban them.


CBD cigarettes:
- are less unhealthy than tobacco
- have controlled, extremely low THC content


"I don't like them!" is not a valid reason. "they smell like the other stuff" isn't either. In case you missed it: Most of the developed world is in the process of finally decriminalizing pot altogether. Far too many people got into legal trouble for something that might not be harmless, but isn't medially speaking worse than legal drugs like alcohol.


I don't know about Swiss schools, but at 20 CHF a pack are they insanely expensive for a high school kid. Time to take a gardening class...
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Thanks for the insightful reply. I have done as such and even management is at a quandry on what to do. The public institution in question is a vocational school. Since legal hanf cigarettes are almost impossible to distinguish from its illegal counterpart, most staff agree that such cigarettes should be banned from designated smoking areas.
Schools can completely ban smoking on their premises, I see no reason the same shouldn't apply to hemp cigarettes, especially considering the inability to distinguish them from THC-containing stuff.

Zürich police had a quick test developed by the Forensich Institute Zürich, they've been using them for a few months now. Reportedly a test costs 3CHF so if you need to be able to distinguish between the two with certainty, perhaps you should try buying them.
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Old 12.04.2018, 12:05
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Zürich police had a quick test developed by the Forensich Institute Zürich, they've been using them for a few months now. Reportedly a test costs 3CHF so if you need to be able to distinguish between the two with certainty, perhaps you should try buying them.
That's interesting info. So far they confiscated anything they wern't sure about, then one could claim it back after it had been tested.
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- are less unhealthy than tobacco
And you know that because....?
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And you know that because....?
Because there is no nicotine in cannabis. There is also no THC in this version of the plant. So there are actually pretty few active ingredients (the CBD) and a bit of tar(?). You could just as well smoke some dried grass clippings.


Industrially manufactured cigarettes on the other hand, including the "light" variants all have had various chemical additives added in the process. Which produce tons of different chemicals when burnt, many of which are far from healthy.
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Old 12.04.2018, 13:38
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Because there is no nicotine in cannabis.
You do realise that it's not the nicotine in cigarettes that causes cancer, emphysema and other serious ailments?

There's evidence that cannabis (even in small doses) could cause testicular cancer but more research needs to be done as they're not sure which compound actually is the issue.

As Curley 'thanked' you, it's clear that she knows nothing about it either.
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Old 12.04.2018, 14:23
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You do realise that it's not the nicotine in cigarettes that causes cancer, emphysema and other serious ailments?

As Curley 'thanked' you, it's clear that she knows nothing about it either.
Yeah, we are all idiots on here. And you are the one smart guy we have all be waiting for...


I never said that nicotine causes cancer. I said its an active ingredient and it is indeed a very strong one. It does have a lot of long term effects on the human body and causes all sorts of heart and blood vessel diseases... from high blood pressure all the way to clogged blood vessels and strokes. But I am sure you will find some studies to show us how the opposite is true and that nicotine is either "just like caffeine" or maybe has some positive effects altogether. A certain industry is quite famous for having influenced research for decades...
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Re: Hanf cigarettes

It's generally the additives in production that make mass produced cigarettes an unhealthy soup.


Nicotine on it's own is relatively safe (apart from the psychological dependence issues).


CBD smokes on the other hand are fairly new on the market. Growing, and production techniques still have quite a bit of variance--so it's hard to make a general statement on their risk factors.

CBD on its own has quite a few therepeutic benefits from trials thus far, however burning it, does negate a lot of the benefits long term.


Generally speaking, hemp flowers have significantly more tar than cigarettes--so one of the big cancer causing items are multiplied.
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Old 12.04.2018, 14:51
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I never said that nicotine causes cancer. I said its an active ingredient and it is indeed a very strong one. It does have a lot of long term effects on the human body and causes all sorts of heart and blood vessel diseases... from high blood pressure all the way to clogged blood vessels and strokes.
I'm not sure it does that either.

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- are less unhealthy than tobacco
I called you out on that and you said it was because of the nicotine. This is not true.

You did mention the cocktail of other chemicals in a tobacco cigarette (which do cause cancers) but these exist in the tobacco in Hanf cigarettes too:


wiss cigarette manufacturer Heimat has come up with a new product which combines tobacco with low-THC cannabis. This new product will go on sale in Coop on 24 July 2017 at a price of CHF 19.90, according to 20 Minuten. The supermarket has set the minimum purchasing age at 18. According to 20 Minuten, Coop’s largest competitor Migros said it has no plans to follow Coop.



So, if I called you out on something which I do not believe is true, you could have the decency to refute it with some evidence rather than your smart-alec
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Generally speaking, hemp flowers have significantly more tar than cigarettes--so one of the big cancer causing items are multiplied.


Heimat tobacco zigarettes (not the light ones) - 9mg tar per pack.


Heimat tobacco and hemp - 8 mg tar. (and only slightly less nicotine...)


http://www.heimatzigaretten.ch/
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Heimat tobacco zigarettes (not the light ones) - 9mg tar per pack.


Heimat tobacco and hemp - 8 mg tar. (and only slightly less nicotine...)


http://www.heimatzigaretten.ch/
Good find!


(Of course for that specific product and comparison).


My general comment came from recreation marijuana---unlike the heimat products you posted, don't have labeling and standardization.


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As it has been proven that people inhale more deeply with low-tar (or light cigarettes), I think we can safely say that Heimat cigarettes are at least as dangerous to health as normal tobacco cigarettes.
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As it has been proven that people inhale more deeply with low-tar (or light cigarettes), I think we can safely say that Heimat cigarettes are at least as dangerous to health as normal tobacco cigarettes.

I have never been a smoker, but I cannot really believe that people inhale hemp cigarettes so much deeper - the smoke is if anything harder to inhale, no?

But since you are just trying to drive your point home... Sure! You are right. Happy now? But can we agree that CBD cigarettes are not much more deadly than normal ones either? And certainly less bad for your body than abusing hard alcohol or other legally available products?

Because the actual topic of the thread is not "Tom found something to anally nit-pick about" but wheter a product should be banned because it does not smell good for the OP.
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A lot of the CBD cigarettes sold here have a mixture of tobacco and hemp.
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I have never been a smoker, but I cannot really believe that people inhale hemp cigarettes so much deeper - the smoke is if anything harder to inhale, no?
Normal cigarettes I inhaled normally with often a lot of the smoke just being in my mouth and going out unused. With Joints I inhaled as deep as possible and tried to keep the smoke in as long as possible Also normal cigarettes burn much quicker when not inhaling than a proper rolled joint.

There should be a breaking point depending on the mixture where joints become physically healthier than normal cigarettes when it comes to ingredients as nicotine, tar, ammonia, arsenic, benzene, lead, DDT and whatever else joyful things they put in cigarettes.

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Old 12.04.2018, 19:15
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Yes but we all know why we did that back then

Those legal ones you can keep the smoke down however long you like - it won't change a thing. So one will not do that (or stop doing it after a while).

I tried it out last year (not the cigarettes, the 'Fedtonic Blüten'). It's very harsh on the throat, nothing pleasing about it, it doesn't taste nice really and - of course - it has no effect (for some weired reason you kind of wait for an effect anyway, LOL) and it doesn't even have a relaxing effect on the muscles (which I used to appreciate very much after a hard, stressy day in the old days).

It's a gimmick.
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Cannibis cigarettes are legally available for purchase at your nearest Coop for a princely sum of SFr. 19.90. Well, since the company has been claimed they can be legally smoked anywhere where smoking is permitted, you might very well nowadays get a whiff of pot in front of schools, shopping areas, restaurants, etc.

Personally, I can't stand the smell and find it's more penetrating and longer-lasting than cigarette smoke and it seems I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Discussions have now arisen as to whether smoking these cigarettes should be allowed in designated public areas for smokers. What are the effects of its smoke on others? Will it become more difficult to distinguish between legal hanf cigarettes and normal joints? Should these cigarettes be allowed at designated smoking areas at schools?

It's a tricky topic. Personally, I think they should be banned in public areas due to its smell and mind-altering properties that may affect passive smokers.

What do you think?

https://lenews.ch/2017/07/13/cannabi...lable-at-coop/
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Have you been stoned for a year ????
Theres nothing in these COOP cigs? The just call it cannabis. But I must admit I have never tried them
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