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Tax evasion or not?

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There is a small store nearby where sellers refuse to accept a payment card if a purchase costs less than 10 CHF. When a payment is done in cash, a receipt is printed only if a customer explicitly asks for it.
Does this look like a possible tax evasion to you or not?
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Old 16.07.2018, 10:09
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Re: Tax evasion or not?

Each card transaction costs a fee. If it's a small business the cost doesn't make the transaction worth it, hence the minimum fee.

It's not uncommon for small businesses to state this minimum.
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Old 16.07.2018, 10:50
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When a payment is done in cash, a receipt is printed only if a customer explicitly asks for it.
Does this look like a possible tax evasion to you or not?
No, it looks more like ecologically responsible people who don't want to wast time and money and paper printing out receipts that people are just going to toss.

I wish more stores would do that.

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Old 16.07.2018, 11:08
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No, it looks more like ecologically responsible people who don't want to wast time and money and paper printing out receipts that people are just going to toss.

I wish more stores would do that.

Tom
Even my local COOP ask me if i want the receipt.. It's totally common around these parts to not get a receipt. I don't think they are all tax dodging.
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Old 16.07.2018, 11:27
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Hi!
There is a small store nearby where sellers refuse to accept a payment card if a purchase costs less than 10 CHF. When a payment is done in cash, a receipt is printed only if a customer explicitly asks for it.
Does this look like a possible tax evasion to you or not?
Only if you're, say, from Malta where a shop is obliged by law to give a receipt. And discounts for cash is the national pastime.

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You have to be given a receipt every time you buy something.
Some shops will stop serving when there are power cuts because they can't issue receipts, to avoid any comeback.

Here in the first world, we don't really have the problem
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Old 16.07.2018, 11:39
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Only if you're, say, from Malta where a shop is obliged by law to give a receipt. And discounts for cash is the national pastime.
Likewise in Italy.

And you have to be a certain distance from the bar or shop before you toss the receipt, otherwise YOU can be fined!

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Re: Tax evasion or not?

I recall that some country (Italy ??) implemented a lottery based on VAT receipts. Everyone loved a free lotto and everyone asked for receipts.

It may be an urban legend though ...
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Hi!
There is a small store nearby where sellers refuse to accept a payment card if a purchase costs less than 10 CHF. When a payment is done in cash, a receipt is printed only if a customer explicitly asks for it.
Does this look like a possible tax evasion to you or not?
Dont be a jerk and try and report them or something so busybody like, you'll just look silly, and not be welcome back in the shop. If it irks you to pay cash on a pack of chewing gum or litre of milk, go to another store.

Also if its rung into the till, there is a copy of the receipt in there that is used by the shop for tax purposes. Who wants a reciept for a dozen eggs and a top shelf magazine?
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Old 16.07.2018, 12:14
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Re: Tax evasion or not?

The matter is that when the payment is done with a card, a customer is usually asked if she needs a payment receipt or is given a receipt without asking. When the payment is done in cash, a customer is not asked about the receipt.
This kind of thing is very common in my own country, where tax evasion is a big problem. The government even organized a campaign calling on people to require the payment receipts in stores.
I had to ask.
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I recall that some country (Italy ??) implemented a lottery based on VAT receipts. Everyone loved a free lotto and everyone asked for receipts.

It may be an urban legend though ...
Malta has a VAT lottery. However not having to pay the extra 18% would be a better deal from an investor's POV
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Old 16.07.2018, 12:34
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This kind of thing is very common in my own country, where tax evasion is a big problem. . . .
The issue of receipts concerns not only tax evasion but theft by employees.
It hasn't happened to to me very often here, but I have on occasion been presented with an incomplete receipt in a restaurant only for the waiter to 'suddenly remember' that an item is missing and amend it by hand. Of course, it could be a genuine mistake ...
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Old 16.07.2018, 12:51
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This kind of thing is very common in my own country, where tax evasion is a big problem.
Italy?

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Hi!
There is a small store nearby where sellers refuse to accept a payment card if a purchase costs less than 10 CHF. When a payment is done in cash, a receipt is printed only if a customer explicitly asks for it.
Does this look like a possible tax evasion to you or not?
With the exception of cash, everybody is free in deciding what means of payment they accept.

It doesn't matter if a receipt gets printed or not, what does matter is that your purchase is booked. If printing the receipt is a matter of pushing one or two buttons your purchase is booked whether you want a receipt or not.
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Old 16.07.2018, 16:00
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With the exception of cash, everybody is free in deciding what means of payment they accept.

It doesn't matter if a receipt gets printed or not, what does matter is that your purchase is booked. If printing the receipt is a matter of pushing one or two buttons your purchase is booked whether you want a receipt or not.
Thank you.
So,
1) Is it true that if the receipt is printed, then the purchase is definitely booked?
2) How can I be sure that the purchase is booked if I pay in cash and the receipt is not printed?
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Old 16.07.2018, 16:21
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How can I be sure that the purchase is booked if I pay in cash and the receipt is not printed?
Why do you need to be sure that it is booked?

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The matter is that when the payment is done with a card, a customer is usually asked if she needs a payment receipt or is given a receipt without asking. When the payment is done in cash, a customer is not asked about the receipt.
This kind of thing is very common in my own country, where tax evasion is a big problem. The government even organized a campaign calling on people to require the payment receipts in stores.
I had to ask.
It's kind of logic. When I pay with card, it goes into MY book-keeping (because I trust the bank less than the shop owner ), when I pay with cash, I know the money is gone and where to = I don't need a receipt.
Most likely many people function that way.

"Very common" in a country you keep a secret......
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The issue of receipts concerns not only tax evasion but theft by employees.
It hasn't happened to to me very often here, but I have on occasion been presented with an incomplete receipt in a restaurant only for the waiter to 'suddenly remember' that an item is missing and amend it by hand. Of course, it could be a genuine mistake ...
Maybe they were testing you
If something is missing on our bills, it's usually us who notice and mention it to the waiter!

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Thank you.
So,
1) Is it true that if the receipt is printed, then the purchase is definitely booked?
2) How can I be sure that the purchase is booked if I pay in cash and the receipt is not printed?
I am sorry your life is so boring that you have time to worry about the tax payed by the little neighbourhood shop.

On the other hand: Let's assume this shop is and has been evading taxes: Switzerland is still far from being bankrupt so you should be able to sleep at nights for a while longer.

Strange thread. Are you planning to pay taxes, once you got all the answers about the receipt-system?
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Old 16.07.2018, 16:31
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Re: Tax evasion or not?

there shouldnt be fees... cant be that in the year 2018 we still need to carry cash around, its just pathetic...
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Re: Tax evasion or not?

I ask for a receipt for a magazine, for petrol, and for groceries. Saves me being accused of shoplifting.
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there shouldnt be fees... cant be that in the year 2018 we still need to carry cash around, its just pathetic...
Nope, it's not. In fact, we should carry/use more cash again!

There are circles thinking alound about abandoning cash all together - gaining absolute control on who spends how much on what, when, where ..... actually as there would be no such thing as money ..... one day, what you think you own will just evaporate into thin air ..... the same it was created from.
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If something is missing on our bills, it's usually us who notice and mention it to the waiter!
I say nothing, give a decent tip and get out of there ASAP
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