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Grand Challenges of the 21st Century: The Grendel Question

to the tune of The House of the Rising Sun:
There is a place in old Lucerne
They call the Grendelstrasse
And its sold wrist watches to many a Chinese
And I also bought one
Or is that Grendel?

The street was made by filling in a canal in the 19th century, along with Schwanenplatz, which was claimed from the lake. It suffers from multiple name syndrome.

The street name sign says Grendel. Stadt Luzern calls it Grendel, and so residents of the street receive official documents with Grendel as their address's street. Referring to the street as Grendelstrasse to Stadt Luzern is likely to elicit a polite but firm correction: the street is called Grendel. On the other hand, many buildings on the street have their own plaques, displaying the street name as Grendelstrasse. Businesses advertise their addresses as Grendelstrasse, rental contracts specify the property as being on Grendelstrasse, online maps tend to show it as Grendelstrasse, and even the Post seem to think it's called Grendelstrasse most of the time.

It wouldn't matter if it merely had two names. The bigger problem is that everyone always wants to "correct" it, to the other one. The first one given "doesn't exist"; people have to try both.

In a quick survey of 450 people on the street, only 12 people were even aware of the problem (409 members of the sample were from Chinese coach trips and did not appear to understand the series of questions posed to them, though they did tend to become reasonably animated). Of those 12, 10 said they didn't care, one was sure it should properly be called Grendel, and the other was emphatic: Grendelstrasse.

Come on Swissies, you have created a terrible muddle here, and it would be nice to see some enthusiasm for clearing up the mess.

Perhaps as the decay sets in, Grendel will revert to a water channel.
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Re: Grand Challenges of the 21st Century: The Grendel Question

Why?

Far from every road is called -strasse, or -weg. Better get used to it.
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Why?

Far from every road is called -strasse, or -weg. Better get used to it.
I'm used to it! I'm happy with Grendel! It's everyone else who insists on appending "strasse" to its name, resulting in problems, ranging from quite bad to very bad. In some cases, even, very very bad. The answer to the "Grendel Question" is "Grendel".

It can hardly be coincidence that there was an armed robbery at one of the watch shops 2 years ago, they were probably running round in circles looking for the right place.
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Re: Grand Challenges of the 21st Century: The Grendel Question

Official Federal Street and Building directory
Official Lucern City Map

vs.

The Swiss Post (you will have to search for yourself)

Solution: Write to the Swiss Post that they have to fix the PLZ database beacuse it does not reflect the Eidg. Gebäude- und Wohnungsregister GWR, write to your city council that the Swiss Post messes things up by having an inaccurate database.
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to the tune of The House of the Rising Sun:
There is a place in old Lucerne
They call the Grendelstrasse
And its sold wrist watches to many a Chinese
And I also bought one
Or is that Grendel?

The street was made by filling in a canal in the 19th century, along with Schwanenplatz, which was claimed from the lake. It suffers from multiple name syndrome.

The street name sign says Grendel. Stadt Luzern calls it Grendel, and so residents of the street receive official documents with Grendel as their address's street. Referring to the street as Grendelstrasse to Stadt Luzern is likely to elicit a polite but firm correction: the street is called Grendel. On the other hand, many buildings on the street have their own plaques, displaying the street name as Grendelstrasse. Businesses advertise their addresses as Grendelstrasse, rental contracts specify the property as being on Grendelstrasse, online maps tend to show it as Grendelstrasse, and even the Post seem to think it's called Grendelstrasse most of the time.

It wouldn't matter if it merely had two names. The bigger problem is that everyone always wants to "correct" it, to the other one. The first one given "doesn't exist"; people have to try both.

In a quick survey of 450 people on the street, only 12 people were even aware of the problem (409 members of the sample were from Chinese coach trips and did not appear to understand the series of questions posed to them, though they did tend to become reasonably animated). Of those 12, 10 said they didn't care, one was sure it should properly be called Grendel, and the other was emphatic: Grendelstrasse.

Come on Swissies, you have created a terrible muddle here, and it would be nice to see some enthusiasm for clearing up the mess.

Perhaps as the decay sets in, Grendel will revert to a water channel.
They changed that a few years ago. Everything needs to be called ....strasse now. Yep, it annoys me too and I never do it (as I too live on a street with a name that is not called namestrasse).
Long live the urge for monotony.
Only difference now: Post and govermental people will add the Strasse, the people living at those roads will boycott. Or, the favorite expression here: Be passive aggressive about it.

When they got into this shi** they even went so far that they - suddenly after decades - claimed the A part of our house did not exist. Only the B part (then why the hell a B part?!) So at the yearly exchange of "Ausweise", every resident living in A all of a sudden got a wrong one! It was A all the years before, so yes, they all came and complained to me (my clients follow the same logic as some EF members when chosing where to get problems solved). I forced them (the authorities) to reissue all those wrong ID's for free! Which probably caused that some post- or town-people came along and plastered a brand new A on one side of the house (no idea where that had gone to in the first place) and everbody was happy. :rolleyes

So live with it. You live at Grendel, the phonebook and any official mail will say Grendelstrasse. No big deal. If you start putting only "Strasse" in the address part of a form, that's when you will be having problems.
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They changed that a few years ago. Everything needs to be called ....strasse now. .
That's so not true. I do not live at any Strasse, Weg, Allee, Gasse, Platz, Steig, Rank or whats not.

In Zurich you can find: Am Wasser (and oder Am ...), Bäckeranlage, Im Walder (and other I'm..), Dreispitz, Luegete, Neue Hard, Neumarkt, Rindermarkt, Sackzelg, Schürwies, Schweigmatt, Sihlberg, Talacker, Wühre, Zwischenbächen and some more which I may have missed.

All perfectly listed as such in the Swiss Post PLZ-Database.

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So live with it. You live at Grendel, the phonebook and any official mail will say Grendelstrasse. No big deal. If you start putting only "Strasse" in the address part of a form, that's when you will be having problems.
No. Official Mail will say Grendel as that is the official name of the street! But the Post will make a fuss as they think it should be Grendelstrasse.
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That's so not true. I do not live at any Strasse, Weg, Allee, Gasse, Platz, Steig, Rank or whats not.

In Zurich you can find: Am Wasser (and oder Am ...), Bäckeranlage, Im Walder (and other I'm..), Dreispitz, Luegete, Neue Hard, Neumarkt, Rindermarkt, Sackzelg, Schürwies, Schweigmatt, Sihlberg, Talacker, Wühre, Zwischenbächen and some more which I may have missed.

All perfectly listed as such in the Swiss Post PLZ-Database.

No. Official Mail will say Grendel as that is the official name of the street! But the Post will make a fuss as they think it should be Grendelstrasse.
Hasn't hit Zurich yet then, good.
Often when I order something or deal with official places via internet, I insert my address as NAME and on the confirmation it is automatically changed to NAMEstrasse.

The only one still at Grendel in Lucerne in search.ch is HUBLOT Boutique Luzern. All the others live at Grendelstrasse.

I quickly checked search.ch - they stick to the originals in Zurich (Rindermarkt for example) but they changed mine to NAMEstrasse. Weird. The post in Winterthur is more powerful than the one in Zurich

The only one left living at Grendel in Lucerne in search.ch is HUBLOT Boutique Luzern. All the others live at Grendelstrasse.
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It's just postmodernism (there is no metanarrative); also known as "fake news".

Better get used to it, since it's quite fashionable now in the age of Trump...
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It's just postmodernism (there is no metanarrative); also known as "fake news".

Better get used to it, since it's quite fashionable now in the age of Trump...
Yeah, well, what ever the deeper meaning - I know I will easily survive the change.
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[...] You live at Grendel [...]
Excuse me?
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Excuse me?
LOL, never mind. You know the "you" is kind of universal in the English language. Of course I should have written <<So one should live with it. One lives at Grendel, the phonebook and any official mail will say Grendelstrasse ..... >> and ta.ke the chance to be zapped for being taken for a troll (sorry, joke from other thread).
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