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Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

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I'm moving from Brazil to Switzerland in a few weeks and thinking where to live. I'm going with my wife and our 1 year old baby.
I am a little bit concerned about where to live specially in regards to daily life...
My wife is not that outdoor fan person so nice walks over Unterageri/ Oberageri hills would not be that importante for her...
Most important would be easy acess to supermarkets, coffees, shops etc...
I do not want them locked at home and getting sad about life...
Zug seems more urban but I may be wrong.
Any thoughts? Read something about it here but would be glad to here new opinions.
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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

Zurich then . Where are you going to work? I know plenty of people who commute to work. Are you thinking of Zug because of taxes?
Zug is OK of course, but you'll have a little problem - finding a nice, affordable place.

I have lived in both types of environment and I think I know what I'm talking about - if you're not used with a small town or village atmosphere and crave everything the big city has to offer you'll feel lost in the charming little places Switzerland has in abundance. Also, you'll have to learn the language very quickly because few people are willing to accommodate you in English, make friends "in English" etc etc. Theoretically, sounds like a good idea but I doubt it is as good when you have a demanding one year old.
Zurich too can be very expensive, so choosing the area you want to live would highly depend on your budget.

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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

This depends on where your workplace is based. Since your employer had to apply for a permit for you from that canton you're expected to live in that canton.

"Art. 36 Place of residence

Persons with a short stay permit, a residence or a permanent residence permit are free to choose their place of residence within the canton that granted the permit. From the Foreign Nationals Act:

Art. 37 Change of the place of residence to another canton

1 Persons with a short stay permit or a residence permit who would like to relocate their place of residence to another canton must apply for the appropriate permit from the new canton beforehand.

2 Persons with a residence permit are entitled to move to another canton provided they are not unemployed and there are no grounds for revocation in terms of Article 62 paragraph 1.

3 Persons with a permanent residence permit are entitled to move to another canton, provided there are no grounds for revocation in terms of Article 63."

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

Yes you can live in another canton, but you need to ask permission to do so from both the canton that granted the permit and the new canton since they will have to issue a new permit.
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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

Thanks! I have not mentioned this...actually my permit is for Zug so my options must be within the Kanton.
Zug will be my work place...for me it looks more urban...close shops, supermarkets etc...
other places as unterageri, oberageri and others are more quite and maybe supermarkets and other services would be more distant.
My concern is about my wife day to day with my baby...
I will be working so except for the commuting it would not be a major issue.
For my wife however it may be.
Other place as Rotkreuz, Cham etc...could be considered?
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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

Zug is the biggest town in the canton. It’s definitely more urban (or maybe, less rural) than the other towns you mentioned, and it has everything you need or want for daily life as a family. Really, only the nightlife is lacking, and I guess that’s not a concern for you.
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Other place as Rotkreuz, Cham etc...could be considered?
Rotkreuz is ugly and pretty soulless but it's main street does have three supermarkets and a a few coffee shops.

You say your wife is not the outdoorsy-type.
Maybe she will become that after living here? Many people embrace the outdoor lifestyle after moving here.
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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

Consider Zug, Baar or Cham. Ägari is nice but commuting time to Zug is longer and if you are not really fans of nature, it may not be worth it.
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Rotkreuz is ugly and pretty soulless
We looked over the golf course, and out to Rigi when we lived in Rotkreuz...can‘t say I found it ugly.

And this was the bar / restaurant opposite.
https://www.tischundbar.ch/de/adresse-und-anfahrt

Yes, some bits of Rotkreuz are fairly uniform, but it‘s a good location for getting to / from Zug, and cheaper for apartments. Cham is another good area if Zug itself does not appeal.

In other words....go look on Google Earth or in person before ruling out an area because someone thinks it‘s ugly or pretty....all towns have good and less good bits.
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Thanks! I have not mentioned this...actually my permit is for Zug so my options must be within the Kanton.
Zug will be my work place...for me it looks more urban...close shops, supermarkets etc...
other places as unterageri, oberageri and others are more quite and maybe supermarkets and other services would be more distant.
My concern is about my wife day to day with my baby...
I will be working so except for the commuting it would not be a major issue.
For my wife however it may be.
Other place as Rotkreuz, Cham etc...could be considered?
Do / did you live in a larger city in Brazil? Or more in a rural or village area?

I guess that in Brazil even Zug would count at best as a large village .. and Aegeri even more so.

This is also something you need to take into account. Your entire lifestyle will change radically and this will be more of a challenge for your wife than you because you will have your job to distract you. So I would get her involved in that decison from the beginning. Bring her over and look at the places with an open mind and see how she feels about them.
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Do / did you live in a larger city in Brazil? Or more in a rural or village area?

I guess that in Brazil even Zug would count at best as a large village .. and Aegeri even more so.

This is also something you need to take into account. Your entire lifestyle will change radically and this will be more of a challenge for your wife than you because you will have your job to distract you. So I would get her involved in that decison from the beginning. Bring her over and look at the places with an open mind and see how she feels about them.
Hehe, that's why I recommended him Zurich.....most probably a quiet little town compared to where OP comes from, but still..:-)
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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

Keep it simple and live in Zug. That way, if your wife does begin to feel isolated, she can just hop on a train and meet up with Brazilian friends in Zurich, where there is a fair sized South American community. I've got 2 Columbian friends here through my partner's work, and have met 6 Brazilian women through my German classes. Just to give you an idea, in my first German class, there were 4 Brazilians and the rest of us were the only person from our native country.
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We looked over the golf course, and out to Rigi when we lived in Rotkreuz...can‘t say I found it ugly.

And this was the bar / restaurant opposite.
https://www.tischundbar.ch/de/adresse-und-anfahrt

Yes, some bits of Rotkreuz are fairly uniform, but it‘s a good location for getting to / from Zug, and cheaper for apartments. Cham is another good area if Zug itself does not appeal.

In other words....go look on Google Earth or in person before ruling out an area because someone thinks it‘s ugly or pretty....all towns have good and less good bits.
Around Rotkreuz is lovely - especially HolzHausern, Risch, Buonas to the East and also to the South But Rotkreuz itself? It's particularly horrible and the OP's wife wanted urban rather than rural.

As you know, Rotkreuz has fantastic connections and Luzern, Cham, Zug and Zurich are easy to get to.

I live in the area too so I think my opinion is valid too.
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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

Live in Zurich. She will die of boredom in any other town. Even Zug is a ghost town on the weekends. Trust me, if she’s not an outdoorsy person and looks for a bit more city life then you really don’t want to live anywhere else but Zurich. And the commute is fine. Switzerland is tiny.
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Do / did you live in a larger city in Brazil? Or more in a rural or village area?

I guess that in Brazil even Zug would count at best as a large village .. and Aegeri even more so.

This is also something you need to take into account. Your entire lifestyle will change radically and this will be more of a challenge for your wife than you because you will have your job to distract you. So I would get her involved in that decison from the beginning. Bring her over and look at the places with an open mind and see how she feels about them.


I live in São Paulo...population is 12 million!!


We are open minded but it is quite a change! But we are ok to change the lifestyle...I like nature much more than her but think she can adapt a little..there will always be Zurich in few minutes right!
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Re: Going to Switzerland - Unterageri or Zug?

Looking from miles and miles away...my view is more for Zug, Baar or Cham...Zurich needs some new permit as it is another Kanton...
Looking at some websites..trying to create some view about each place.
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I live in São Paulo...population is 12 million!!
Hehe, so Zug is the equivalent of a smaller neighborhood in Sao Paulo

That said, it's your best bet based on your needs, as urban as it can possibly get, and to be fair, the setting is indeed lovely. Don't go smaller than that by moving out even more. Stay in Zug and if you feel like you need a bit more action, go to Zurich (though you obviously shouldn't expect massive action there either)

As Medea says, you may be able to move to Zurich as a non-EU permit holder as well, but you need to ask for permission from both cantons and they are not obliged to grant the request. Best to move to Zug first and if you find yourself bored out of your mind, you can look into moving.
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We are open minded but it is quite a change! But we are ok to change the lifestyle...I like nature much more than her but think she can adapt a little..there will always be Zurich in few minutes right!
Its a massive shift from SP to Switzerland whether you live in the heart of Zurich or out in the countryside. You're not going to find anything in Switzerland quite like Jardins for example. It's a very different life. Stating the obvious, how you enjoy it will vary according to your willingness and ability to embrace a different country, language(s) and culture, different weather and different opportunities. There are some great observations from others, but here are a few personal thoughts based upon experience of both Zug and SP:

(1) Sunshine : its been a great Summer but winter is about to arrive. Zug and Zurich can both be shrouded in low-lying fog for much of the day. If you live 'higher-up' (e.g. the Aegeris) then you stand a better chance of seeing the sun. Be prepared for much colder winters than in SP!

(2) Life with a one year old : you can live pretty much anywhere with a one year old but you may want to look for somewhere to live with easy access to child care and mums and tots groups - Zug and the Aegeris have both. I don't know about Cham but suspect it does. The lakes around Zug and Aegeri are great for kids in the summertime. If you'll be living in an apartment rather than a house then look for somewhere with other families around so you can be reasonably sure of a tolerance for kiddy noise (as well as likely making new friends a whole lot quicker).

(3) Transport : Pretty much everywhere in Switzerland is well connected. No train? They'll be a bus. Zug is very well connected by train to Zurich and Lucerne - and also for getting down to Lugano for when you really need some winter sun. If you don't live near a station then think about whether you're going to be happy taking kiddy on a bus to get around (it's pretty easy but depends on your child's tolerance and the practicalities of being away from home). Driving into Zug and Zurich is possible but depends on your tolerance for congestion (much less than SP) and usually high parking charges. Plus you'll need a car :-) Chances are that you'll make friends in various places so if you live out of the centre of Zug or Zurich you'll probably be doing more travelling. If easy access by public transport to Zurich Airport is important (especially if you're flying regularly) then being near a main station like Baar or Zug could work well for you.

(4) Community : I've experienced life in Zurich and life near Zug. For me, hands-down, it has been easier to make friends (Swiss and non-Swiss) living in a large village in Canton Zug (which was important to me). The Aegeris are very diverse : lots of clubs and community life (and supermarkets and cafés). Zug is much bigger though and has more options for entertainment. All give you easy access to nature. If the key is feeling a sense of urban life, then you may want to try and find accommodation as close to the centre of Zug as possible (be prepared for higher prices though). If you're willing to travel a bit, then consider the various villages others have mentioned, including in the Aegeris, and perhaps Menzingen. With a bit of effort it should be possible to settle in pretty easily as a young family!

Again, as others have said, best recommendation is to spend a little time in each place that you're considering and see if it has the right 'feel' and facilities for you.

Good luck!
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...there will always be Zurich in few minutes right!
..and cheap daily flights to Portugal, and many wonderful cities, so you can bribe her with regular weekends away
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Around Rotkreuz is lovely - especially HolzHausern, Risch, Buonas to the East and also to the South But Rotkreuz itself? It's particularly horrible and the OP's wife wanted urban rather than rural.

As you know, Rotkreuz has fantastic connections and Luzern, Cham, Zug and Zurich are easy to get to.

I live in the area too so I think my opinion is valid too.

I have lived in Holzhausern/Rotkreuz for the last 6 years, and can only recommend it. Transportation connections to Zug/Zurich/Luzern are fantastic, and Rotkreuz itself it's large enough to serve all our needs. There is a reason why it's the fastest growing gemeinde (by far) in canton Zug. Lots of internationals and international companies (including startups) have moved and are continuing to move into the area, primarily in the Suurstoffi project area, on the north half of Rotkreuz.

Rental prices here are by far more affordable than what you would find in Zug, which is only 7 minutes away by train.
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Its a massive shift from SP to Switzerland whether you live in the heart of Zurich or out in the countryside. You're not going to find anything in Switzerland quite like Jardins for example. It's a very different life. Stating the obvious, how you enjoy it will vary according to your willingness and ability to embrace a different country, language(s) and culture, different weather and different opportunities. There are some great observations from others, but here are a few personal thoughts based upon experience of both Zug and SP:

(1) Sunshine : its been a great Summer but winter is about to arrive. Zug and Zurich can both be shrouded in low-lying fog for much of the day. If you live 'higher-up' (e.g. the Aegeris) then you stand a better chance of seeing the sun. Be prepared for much colder winters than in SP!

(2) Life with a one year old : you can live pretty much anywhere with a one year old but you may want to look for somewhere to live with easy access to child care and mums and tots groups - Zug and the Aegeris have both. I don't know about Cham but suspect it does. The lakes around Zug and Aegeri are great for kids in the summertime. If you'll be living in an apartment rather than a house then look for somewhere with other families around so you can be reasonably sure of a tolerance for kiddy noise (as well as likely making new friends a whole lot quicker).

(3) Transport : Pretty much everywhere in Switzerland is well connected. No train? They'll be a bus. Zug is very well connected by train to Zurich and Lucerne - and also for getting down to Lugano for when you really need some winter sun. If you don't live near a station then think about whether you're going to be happy taking kiddy on a bus to get around (it's pretty easy but depends on your child's tolerance and the practicalities of being away from home). Driving into Zug and Zurich is possible but depends on your tolerance for congestion (much less than SP) and usually high parking charges. Plus you'll need a car :-) Chances are that you'll make friends in various places so if you live out of the centre of Zug or Zurich you'll probably be doing more travelling. If easy access by public transport to Zurich Airport is important (especially if you're flying regularly) then being near a main station like Baar or Zug could work well for you.

(4) Community : I've experienced life in Zurich and life near Zug. For me, hands-down, it has been easier to make friends (Swiss and non-Swiss) living in a large village in Canton Zug (which was important to me). The Aegeris are very diverse : lots of clubs and community life (and supermarkets and cafés). Zug is much bigger though and has more options for entertainment. All give you easy access to nature. If the key is feeling a sense of urban life, then you may want to try and find accommodation as close to the centre of Zug as possible (be prepared for higher prices though). If you're willing to travel a bit, then consider the various villages others have mentioned, including in the Aegeris, and perhaps Menzingen. With a bit of effort it should be possible to settle in pretty easily as a young family!

Again, as others have said, best recommendation is to spend a little time in each place that you're considering and see if it has the right 'feel' and facilities for you.

Good luck!
Thank you so much, AdrianZ, for you message. Looks like you know São Paulo!
I'll take my time before deciding for a definitive rent.
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