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Your support for smokers saying that non-smokers should put up with passive smoking makes you one...
Lol. If you say so.

I don't "support" smokers. I just ignore them.

It isn't difficult to do.
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them. Winston Churchill
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Old 02.10.2018, 18:36
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them. Winston Churchill Tom
FTFY!

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How about this one?

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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them. Winston Churchill
His grandson died at 69 from prostate cancer, I guess he followed the wise advice from Grandpa by the letter.
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Old 02.10.2018, 19:59
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Lol. If you say so.

I don't "support" smokers. I just ignore them.

It isn't difficult to do.
I guess you don't live in an apartment block surrounded by chain-smokers?

But, yes, it is easy to ignore them when you have a detached house a long way from any neighbours.
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His grandson died at 69 from prostate cancer, I guess he followed the wise advice from Grandpa by the letter.
My BIL died at 50, a non smoker all his life, no one in the family either. That argument doesn´t wash
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I guess you don't live in an apartment block surrounded by chain-smokers?

But, yes, it is easy to ignore them when you have a detached house a long way from any neighbours.
It would be if we did, which we don't.

There are a lot of silly presumptions being made on this thread.
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It would be if we did, which we don't.

There are a lot of silly presumptions being made on this thread.
Did what?
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Live in a detached house a long way from any neighbours.
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Old 02.10.2018, 20:09
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Re: Passive smoking law?

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Not you. Us. One of our neighbours smokes but she's a long way away so it's easy to ignore - unlike with our chain-smoking neighbour in our old apartment.
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My BIL died at 50, a non smoker all his life, no one in the family either. That argument doesn´t wash
Sorry for your BIL but link between smoke and cancer is scientifically proven. Does not mean all of us are doomed because of all smokers around us. But Ok, the main point here is that I just can't stand the smell. We have rules in Switzerland to keep noise under control, we should have something similar for fumes, that's it.
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We don't, but we do have a rustico 4.5km from our apartment that has no neighbors within 1km, and is 200m form the main road.

My wife also has a piano (Swiss, Burger & Jacobi, 1968) makes more noise then my Marshalls unless they are cranked.

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Sorry for your BIL but link between smoke and cancer is scientifically proven. Does not mean all of us are doomed because of all smokers around us. But Ok, the main point here is that I just can't stand the smell. We have rules in Switzerland to keep noise under control, we should have something similar for fumes, that's it.
Just out of curiosity, do you have an example of somewhere which has such a standard of not allowing smoking outside someone's own home at certain times of the day, as you mention here...

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What I'm basically looking for is some sort of example among you ladies and gentlemen where the building administration set up a rule to allow smoking "outside" only at specific times of the day, or any other form of private regulation. That to me would be acceptable - as a start - so at least I know when I need to close the windows.
Just for clarity, I've never been a smoker. Just wondering how it would be implemented if stuff like barbecues, etc, are permitted.
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Just for clarity, I've never been a smoker. Just wondering how it would be implemented if stuff like barbecues, etc, are permitted.
... not to mention the ubiquitous muckspreading!
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link between smoke and cancer is scientifically proven.
When, where?

Speculation is not proof.

Next you'll be telling us that it's "scientifically proven" that the earth is flat.

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When, where?

Speculation is not proof.

Next you'll be telling us that it's "scientifically proven" that the earth is flat.

Tom

If you had taken the time to search "smoking cancer studies" in google, you will come across thousands of articles. Below is one of the most cited. Just because you close your eyes, it does not mean the sun does not exist. You seem to be like the climate change deniers who deny it inspite of hard evidence. I think I am wasting my time in dealing with your obdurate recalcitrance. So good luck with whatever you believe, but you have no rights to pass snarky comments on others' beliefs!



https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.ed...rief_revie.pdf
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Just out of curiosity, do you have an example of somewhere which has such a standard of not allowing smoking outside someone's own home at certain times of the day, as you mention here...
This is exactly what I am asking for. And if something does not exist yet, why not introducing it? Believe it or not, it's for the benefit of all in the end.
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When, where?
Come on plenty of scientific sources report that, have a look here for example:

https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/s...cer-types.html
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This is exactly what I am asking for. And if something does not exist yet, why not introducing it? Believe it or not, it's for the benefit of all in the end.
To be fair, introducing timetables of when people can smoke outside their apartments is overly complicated and impossible to implement. Look around this forum, there are enough complaints from expats coming to Switzerland about all the "silly" rules there are here. No reason to add to them.

Why not just move into a smoke free apartment block or complex in the first place? Ours is one such building and it's not exactly unique. Yes, it applies to the building but the people that move in tend not to be smokers in the first place so, by default, there's no-one smoking outside.

That works far better and benefits those who don't want to smoke, leaving those who DO want to smoke to live somewhere they don't have such rules. Everybody is happy.
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