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No, it doesn't.

It may, or may not, increase you chances of developing cancer or other diseases, but pretty much anything does, including water.

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It does if you suffer from asthma or serious sinus infections. I have a close friend who is a smoker and frequently grumbles about "human rights" regarding smoking bans in train station etc., she gets quiet when I remind her that one of the most basic human rights is to breathe. I am a serious asthmatic and while I can handle some smoke every now and then, when it comes floating into my bedroom when I'm sleeping it causes a real problem. I need the window to be open (even in winter) because as an asthmatic, constant air flow is important.
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And you have no issues with exhaust gases from cars or buses?
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And you have no issues with exhaust gases from cars or buses?
I do! Especially crappy motos that leave a trail of gas exhaust for miles. There are too many motos/buses and cars in the city centers in Switzerland, and it is getting worse everyday - but transportation is a physical need..unlike smoking.

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Re: Passive smoking law?

Well we get alot of passive cooking smells from our neighbours kitchen exhaust. Onions and spices and whatever else. ( Peruvian cooking ).
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Well we get alot of passive cooking smells from our neighbours kitchen exhaust. Onions and spices and whatever else. ( Peruvian cooking ).
Local Swiss food can be seriously smelly as well, think about fondue. But that only happens at specific times of the day, not every 20 mins. And definitely less of a problem with respect to sitting down at the table approaching lunch or dinner and have that cigarette smell invading the room with timely precision!
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Old 03.10.2018, 17:41
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Local Swiss food can be seriously smelly as well, think about fondue. But that only happens at specific times of the day, not every 20 mins.
At least your neighbour is a light smoker unlike our old one.
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Local Swiss food can be seriously smelly as well, think about fondue. But that only happens at specific times of the day, not every 20 mins. And definitely less of a problem with respect to sitting down at the table approaching lunch or dinner and have that cigarette smell invading the room with timely precision!
Here they start cooking at 7 am and it goes on for a couple of hours
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Here they start cooking at 7 am and it goes on for a couple of hours
Fantastic, people who really cook!
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Hope to get that house in the country some day.
We have one, complete with smoky wood heating and hot water!

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Here they start cooking at 7 am and it goes on for a couple of hours
When I'm smoking meat, chiles, or fish, it can go on for 14 hours or more.

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Another one in serious denial.

Around 70% of smokers want to give up. Only 20% succeed.
I don't know what you think I'm denying, but you seem unable to accept the fact that people smoke because they enjoy it. Not sure where you got your figures from, but as Sandgrounder points out they're almost certainly based on a flawed survey, so probably the 70% have accepted that it's bad for their health and that logically they should stop, but that's not the same as wanting to stop, not by a long chalk. If they really wanted to they would, it's quite simple.
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I don't know what you think I'm denying, but you seem unable to accept the fact that people smoke because they enjoy it. Not sure where you got your figures from, but as Sandgrounder points out they're almost certainly based on a flawed survey, so probably the 70% have accepted that it's bad for their health and that logically they should stop, but that's not the same as wanting to stop, not by a long chalk. If they really wanted to they would, it's quite simple.
Are you in the flat earth society too?

Most people don't smoke because they 'enjoy it'. the smoke because they enjoy the relief from withdrawal symptoms of an addictive drug.
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I don't know what you think I'm denying, but you seem unable to accept the fact that people smoke because they enjoy it. Not sure where you got your figures from, but as Sandgrounder points out they're almost certainly based on a flawed survey, so probably the 70% have accepted that it's bad for their health and that logically they should stop, but that's not the same as wanting to stop, not by a long chalk. If they really wanted to they would, it's quite simple.
Well after all they are addicts. And Nicotine is a potent drug
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Most people don't smoke because they 'enjoy it'. the smoke because they enjoy the relief from withdrawal symptoms of an addictive drug.
Nonsense.

I never found it to be addictive at all.

I stopped smoking after two years because cigarettes in the US were tasteless crap (compared to unfiltered Gaulois/Gitanes).

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Nonsense.

I never found it to be addictive at all.

I stopped smoking after two years because cigarettes in the US were tasteless crap (compared to unfiltered Gaulois/Gitanes).

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Then most likely you were smoking dried cow shit!
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If they really wanted to they would, it's quite simple.
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I understand this is the country of Philip Morris but dealing with smoking neighbours is becoming challenging. The thing is: why do I need to suffer and get stressed each time I open my balcony doors? They smoke outside because they don't want to harm their little children, something which deserves praise. But it has the side effect of having their awful cigarette smoke in my living room. It just stinks bad and no other choice than closing doors and windows. Is there any better way to deal with this problem in Switzerland, at least in apartment buildings? And no, please don't ask me to go and knock and their door and ask if they can please... Any suggestions welcome!

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"However, tenants as well as homeowners are also obliged to take mutual consideration. According to the homeowners association, chain smoking on the balcony or the constant smoking of cigars and pipes on the balcony would be a violation of the duty to respect if the neighbors feel unreasonably impaired when using their home."


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Nonsense.
Really? Try not to be so infantile. It's unbecoming of you.

I'm sure there's some teenage snapchat/instagram chatroom that would probably have your needs met better than this forum.


But how addictive is it compared with other drugs:


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With the onset of dependence as the start date, half of those ever addicted to cocaine had quit using this drug at clinically significant levels by year four, and the half-life for marijuana dependence was six years. In contrast, alcohol and cigarette dependence had much longer half-lives. For alcohol, the 50% remission mark was not reached until year 16, and for cigarettes, it took on average 30 years for dependent smokers to quit. (GM Heyman, Quitting drugs: Quantitative and qualitative features. Annual Review or Clinical Psychology, 2013)
It explains why it's almost impossible for an ex-alcoholic to just have a few drinks or why smokers still have a craving so many years later.
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Really? Try not to be so infantile. It's unbecoming of you.

I'm sure there's some teenage snapchat/instagram chatroom that would probably have your needs met better than this forum.


But how addictive is it compared with other drugs:




It explains why it's almost impossible for an ex-alcoholic to just have a few drinks or why smokers still have a craving so many years later.
He's trying to troll that's all. Give him a chance. He has to practice somewhere
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Tobacco is the only legal drug that kills many of its users when used exactly as intended by manufacturers. WHO has estimated that tobacco use (smoking and smokeless) is currently responsible for the death of about six million people across the world each year with many of these deaths occurring prematurely. This total includes about 600,000 people are also estimated to die from the effects of second-hand smoke. Although often associated with ill-health, disability and death from noncommunicable chronic diseases, tobacco smoking is also associated with an increased risk of death from communicable diseases.
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