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As I indicated before, the urge/addiction is really very strong...
As strong, and some say even worse, than being addicted to opioids. Addicts need our help to become clean. We need to take steps to help them, and to ensure BigTobacco stops addicting our children.

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As strong, and some same even worse, than being addicted to opioids. Addicts need our help to become clean. We need to take steps to help them, and to ensure BigTobacco stops addicting our children.

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Seeing the serial malcontent Tom groan at this post makes me laugh.. This post has nothing abusive, just the poster expressing his / her opinion. Seems our Tom is really idle.. Good luck Tom, continue to idle away your time in groaning and moaning at trivialities like this. Seems some people never grow up. (Think he will reply to this like "Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all!)
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Old 04.10.2018, 19:30
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... useless twaddle ...
All this addict nonsense is epically comic.

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Old 04.10.2018, 19:40
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Seeing the serial malcontent Tom groan at this post makes me laugh.. This post has nothing abusive, just the poster expressing his / her opinion. Seems our Tom is really idle.. Good luck Tom, continue to idle away your time in groaning and moaning at trivialities like this. Seems some people never grow up. (Think he will reply to this like "Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all!)
Well actually the <<Addicts need our help to become clean>> bit made me groan too. I just groan in my throat and not with my finger.

Next thing some bored EF'ler will grab my hand somewhere in the city and do a prayer with me.
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All this addict nonsense is epically comic.

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What exactly do you find "epically comic"?

That nicotine is addictive or that addicts in general need help to overcome the addiction?

I'm pretty sure there is plenty of scientific evidence and studies supporting both statements. Sure, we all can take your word that is all BS, but silly me, I still believe in science and people actually knowing what they are talking about.

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Old 05.10.2018, 09:40
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What exactly do you find "epically comic"?

That nicotine is addictive or that addicts in general need help to overcome the addiction?

I'm pretty sure there is plenty of scientific evidence and studies supporting both statements. Sure, we all can take your word that is all BS, but silly me, I still believe in science and people actually knowing that they are talking about.
I find comic arguing against all the scientific evidence that nicotine is addictive. Smokers need help to quit, not mine or yours, but professional help and when it is required.
As usual, I have mixed feelings about smoking in public. I am not that sensitive to turn my nose up when a few people smoke around, outside of the work place or restaurant or train station,, but if it happened on a daily basis, if every time I opened the window from my apartment, I had that smoke coming in my house or my garden from some chain-smoking neighbours, then it would be different. I wouldn't like to endure this permanent unpleasantness. It's always about context. But becoming militantist over totally banning smoking in public areas, nah, not my style.
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Old 05.10.2018, 10:09
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Good luck Tom, continue to idle away your time in groaning and moaning at trivialities like this. Seems some people never grow up. (Think he will reply to this like "Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all!)
To be fair, he's equally liberal with his thanks as he's with the groans.
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Old 05.10.2018, 10:20
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It's always about context. But becoming militantist over totally banning smoking in public areas, nah, not my style.
Define public areas. Childrens' playgrounds, swimming pools, churches, railway platforms...?
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Old 05.10.2018, 10:27
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Define public areas. Childrens' playgrounds, swimming pools, churches, railway platforms...?
Children's playgrounds and swimming pools were non-smoking areas long before this anti-smoking campaign started.
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Old 05.10.2018, 10:35
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Children's playgrounds and swimming pools were non-smoking areas long before this anti-smoking campaign started.
I've been to public pools here, albeit outside, where parents have been smoking in the toddlers paddling pool.

Playgrounds are not non-smoking ( at least none that I've been to).
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Children's playgrounds and swimming pools were non-smoking areas long before this anti-smoking campaign started.
As far as I know, where I live, in any outdoor location, no matter how crowded, it is not forbidden to smoke. Be it an outdoor playground, restaurant, bar, sporting court, you name it, if one is outdoor, one is allowed to smoke.

Of course there might be specific locations / cases where it is not allowed to smoke, but generally speaking, it is.
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Old 05.10.2018, 11:12
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As far as I know, where I live, in any outdoor location, no matter how crowded, it is not forbidden to smoke. Be it an outdoor playground, restaurant, bar, sporting court, you name it, if one is outdoor, one is allowed to smoke.

Of course there might be specific locations / cases where it is not allowed to smoke, but generally speaking, it is.
The athletics ground/track above Thalwil is non-smoking inside and out.

It's very noticeable that it is non-smoking. The place is not grubby and smelly.
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Children's playgrounds and swimming pools were non-smoking areas long before this anti-smoking campaign started.
This is regulated by Canton and commune.

Canton Grisons for instance has introduced a smoking ban for all closed rooms that are accessible by the public, in and around schools, and on communal sports areas in 2008, that was before the ban in restaurants on the federal level. A few years ago the Cantonal law was overhauled, the ban now includes "Betreuungs- und Begegnungsstätten für Kinder", that is, Kindergarten, Hort, Pfadi, Jugendhaus, etc.

Chur appears to have an additional smoking ban for all playgrounds.
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My favorite are the mothers who push their children around in strollers with cigarette in hand.
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My favorite are the mothers who push their children around in strollers with cigarette in hand.
How very British...




Well, "Little Britain" anyway.
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My favorite are the mothers who push their children around in strollers with cigarette in hand.
It’s funny how things have changed for the most part and it is not such a common sight these days.

I was looking through some of my mum’s old photo albums the other day and came across some photos taken of holidays in Bridlington (uk seaside town) in the late sixties early seventies. There were lots of photos of my uncle leanining over us kids with a lit cigarette hanging from his mouth, nobody thought anything about it in those days.
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I find comic arguing against all the scientific evidence that nicotine is addictive. Smokers need help to quit, not mine or yours, but professional help and when it is required.
And their health issues increase the burden on public health systems, and indirectly private health insurances as well. In the end we are all paying for their addiction.
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And their health issues increase the burden on public health systems, and indirectly private health insureances as well. In the end we are all paying for their addiction.
That is a slippery slope. How about people eating too much fat, drinking too much alcohol, risky sports, things like that?
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I’m not a big believer in slippery slopes, or thin edges of the wedge.

Acting one one of these challenges does not automatically mean that all other dangerous activites would be affected in the same manner. Not saying they shouldn’t be looking at them too.

If certainly doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to solve a problem, particularly one that directly kills 6 million, and indirectly kills 600k, people a year.

Yes, we need to help addicts.
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Yes, we need to help addicts.
Addicts, sure, but there are plenty of smokers who are NOT addicts.

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