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Old 05.10.2018, 14:56
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That is a slippery slope. How about people eating too much fat, drinking too much alcohol, risky sports, things like that?
It's not actually just fat causing obesity but too much of everything including sugar (the fat alone thinking actually went out years ago but is a great money spinner for food companies with low-fat yogurts etc for people who are not informed such as yourself).

But, I digress and this 'slippery slope' you so describe is already happening in other countries with some obese patients in the U.K. for example, being refused treatment unless they take on some personal responsibility and lose a bit of weight.

Which, I might add, was the argument against further smoking restrictions earlier in this thread by the 'pro-smoking' brigade who suggested that it should all be down to personal responsibility.

So, do want personal responsibility or not? Please make your minds up.
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Old 05.10.2018, 15:00
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So, do want personal responsibility or not? Please make your minds up.
Pregnancy also increases the risk of various health problems, so lets outlaw that as well!

(as does failure to ejaculate on a regular basis )

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Pregnancy also increases the risk of various health problems, so lets outlaw that as well!

(as does failure to ejaculate on a regular basis )

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Let's have wanking on Krankenkasse. That should cause a huge queue and keep people's attention for a long while.
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Let's have wanking on Krankenkasse. That should cause a huge queue and keep people's attention for a long while.
Rather, massages with happy endings should be paid by the KK!

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Rather, massages with happy endings should be paid by the KK!

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Yep. That should relax a few.
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Addicts, sure, but there are plenty of smokers who are NOT addicts.

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I don't know if you've ever smoked or what your definition of "addict" is, but believe me as a heavy ex-smoker, I've never found anything quite so addictive as smoking.



Boozing can come close but it certainly isn't as corrosively addictive as smoking in my opinion.


It really is very hard to give up, the temptations are all around you and if it is not addictive it is an enslaving, obsessive habit forming pleasure
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The only smokers that are not addicts are those soon to be addicts.

I suppose if you smoked a pack a month you might not be an addict, but I have never met such a person.
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Re: Passive smoking law?

I have been known to smoke a cigarette or two, per year.

I did smoke three or four cigs a day for a couple years as a teen, but never could get used to the tasteless crap they sell in the US (I was used to Gaulois and Gitanes, unfiltered), so I stopped.

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I have been known to smoke a cigarette or two, per year.

I did smoke three or four cigs a day for a couple years as a teen, but never could get used to the tasteless crap they sell in the US (I was used to Gaulois and Gitanes, unfiltered), so I stopped.

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And this, ladies and gentlemen, proves without any doubt that all studies and research made on the topic was at best an unnecessary waste of money and resources and, at worse, an attempt of the forces of evil to subvert the natural order of things, i.e. disagree with st2lemans

If you, after such evidence was shown, still refuse to believe, then you must be an infiltrate of the Flat Earth Society under cover, or even worse, a frontalier!
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I have been known to smoke a cigarette or two, per year.

I did smoke three or four cigs a day for a couple years as a teen, but never could get used to the tasteless crap they sell in the US (I was used to Gaulois and Gitanes, unfiltered), so I stopped.

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You are not a real smoker then. I also used to "smoke" a few cigarettes per year at a party or wedding etc, now I can't stand it at all. I like the gesture, the feeling, but I can't stand the taste. I like the smell though, when it's very discreet and mixed with a certain perfume.
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I suppose if you smoked a pack a month you might not be an addict, but I have never met such a person.
Funny cause I know dozens of casual smokers who've been exactly that for decades.
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Old 05.10.2018, 18:46
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Funny cause I know dozens of casual smokers who've been exactly that for decades.

It's true that some people seem to be more predisposed to an addictive personality than others.

Those with it appear to be able to get sucked into many addictions easily such as gambling, smoking, alcohol, excessive shopping and so on.

Others really can take or leave these things.
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Re: Passive smoking law?

My chain smoking neighbors might take up e-cigs - they are in the trial period. I made sure to say a thousand times "Thank you!". If this is a success, I won't have to dance around them anymore to stay upwind when we chat, or gag when the wind changes directions and the smoke hits me. And I can have my windows open on their side, too. Go, e-cigs!
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It's true that some people seem to be more predisposed to an addictive personality than others.

Those with it appear to be able to get sucked into many addictions easily such as gambling, smoking, alcohol, excessive shopping and so on.

Others really can take or leave these things.



As i explained earlier, a lot is to do with what age you started. Receptors are developed in the brain to "house" a nicotine molecule which controls the craving process and thus addiction.


These receptors, once developed, stay in the brain until you get to your wooden box.


The earlier you start, the more receptors are developed and the harder it is to give up.


People who only occasionaly smoke, or a packet a month are very usually people who started smoking very late on in live, meaning over 20-23 years old
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My chain smoking neighbors might take up e-cigs - they are in the trial period. I made sure to say a thousand times "Thank you!". If this is a success, I won't have to dance around them anymore to stay upwind when we chat, or gag when the wind changes directions and the smoke hits me. And I can have my windows open on their side, too. Go, e-cigs!
E-cig smokers smoke much differently to normal cigarette smokers. They invariably look fake and pretentious the way they smoke. They are cowards-if they want to smoke then they should be a " man " about it and smoke the real thing. They look like sissies ( pansy ) with these e cigs.

"wow. you won't touch already-chewed gum, even if YOU chewed it? what a friggin pansy!"

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There's a big conference organized by the WHO on tobacco control going on next to my office. Quite amusing watching a bunch of the delegates puffing away on their cancer sticks during the breaks.
You do realise that Big, Medium, and Small Tobacco attended ‘in droves’. Journalists were also there in Big numbers.

So why were you amused?
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Old 07.10.2018, 23:45
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15-16 in my case, but only 2-4/day for a couple years, then 1/year or less since.

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15-16 in my case, but only 2-4/day for a couple years, then 1/year or less since.

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The only smokers that are not addicts are those soon to be addicts.

I suppose if you smoked a pack a month you might not be an addict, but I have never met such a person.
My mum used to smoke 10-15 B&H Gold per day, but never before 9pm. She went for a night out with my dad 3 times a week , and the other nights, she'd smoke whilst doing the books for the garage. She was very self disciplined in many ways, except if someone wafted a vanilla slice under her nose

In her 50's, she switched to smoking 10 Menthols every Tuesday when she went to visit a friend, and did that for 20+yrs. My grandma gave up smoking at 83 because she kept forgetting that she'd lit one, then walk into the garden and light another.
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