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Many, many and indeed many years ago when Slammer was a young guy, I could pick up shortwave radio with my fillings when I slept at 20 degrees from north.
Morse code mainly but I did get a russian radio station from time to time.
Yeah, it's definitely the amalgam fillings leftover from our NHS histories. I find the church bells ringing through at 15 min. intervals just act like an electric shock, so double that.
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Re: Does anyone else struggle more sleeping in Switzerland?

We live right behind our Church (Ye Olde Vicarage) ... and the bells hardly ever ring - lunchtime, and 10pm, Thursday at 7pm- and from time to time for services (about 6 times a year), and the 'odd' funeral or wedding.

Unlike the Church next to our flat in the UK - 4 bells per quarter, + hour, 24/7, so 28 bells at midnight - as loud as Big Ben- and bell ringing practice for hours, and 50 single bells at 8 am Sunday morning.

Cannot sleep with window closed, any weather, any temperature, bells or no bells.
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Old 09.11.2018, 10:48
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We live right behind our Church (Ye Olde Vicarage) ... and the bells hardly ever ring - lunchtime, and 10pm, Thursday at 7pm- and from time to time for services (about 6 times a year), and the 'odd' funeral or wedding.

Unlike the Church next to our flat in the UK - 4 bells per quarter, + hour, 24/7, so 28 bells at midnight - as loud as Big Ben- and bell ringing practice for hours, and 50 single bells at 8 am Sunday morning.

Cannot sleep with window closed, any weather, any temperature, bells or no bells.
I wonder how well Quasimodo slept?
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I slept like a baby)
Not sure of the origin of this expression. My experience is that babies do not sleep well.

Since having kids, I rarely get a good night of sleep, but, I am now able to sleep anywhere...
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Not sure of the origin of this expression. My experience is that babies do not sleep well.

Since having kids, I rarely get a good night of sleep, but, I am now able to sleep anywhere...
The origin is actually: "as innocent as a baby," meaning there is nothing fermenting in your mind.
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The OP is AWOL. I bet he's napping.
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The OP is AWOL. I bet he's napping.
Sure hope he turned off the email notification for his thread.
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Re: Does anyone else struggle more sleeping in Switzerland?

Well, if th OP did eventually wake up, and I know I am going to get bashed over the head for this......

There are much more underground riverlets, or rather water veins. If your bed is positions over one, it affects your sleep.

A simple cheap solution, try moving your bed.

//www.geopathologie.ch/en/

https://swissharmony.com/what-are-water-veins/
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Re: Does anyone else struggle more sleeping in Switzerland?

Sorry for the groan, mate, but I think this is spreading pseudoscience that is several orders of magnitude more utter BS than anything I heard until now ("earth rays", "Curry grid"?). Jeez...nothing detectable of measurable by any scientific method, device or theory. Sounds like dowsing.
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Sorry for the groan, mate, but I think this is spreading pseudoscience that is several orders of magnitude more utter BS than anything I heard until now ("earth rays", "Curry grid"?). Jeez...nothing detectable of measurable by any scientific method, device or theory. Sounds like dowsing.
Actually the science is still out on this topic. A lot of animals have a magnetic sense. migrating birds for instance, also it is suggested that humans could well have at least a weak sense for magnetism. Not too sure if there is any correlation with groundwater currents, further studies are required but the tantalizing prospect is there.
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Sorry for the groan, mate, but I think this is spreading pseudoscience that is several orders of magnitude more utter BS than anything I heard until now ("earth rays", "Curry grid"?). Jeez...nothing detectable of measurable by any scientific method, device or theory. Sounds like dowsing.
No problem, I knew what I was getting into when I posted that. My experience, and experiences of many others, have proven otherwise. Granted 15 years ago, I would have scoffed as well.

Look if it helps a poor guy sleep better at night, then there is no harm done.
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Well, if th OP did eventually wake up, and I know I am going to get bashed over the head for this......

There are much more underground riverlets, or rather water veins. If your bed is positions over one, it affects your sleep.

A simple cheap solution, try moving your bed.

//www.geopathologie.ch/en/

https://swissharmony.com/what-are-water-veins/
Why is there always always a product involved with these quack websites?

Pather - did you actually buy the blanket with the magnetic strips in it?

Swiss Harmony’s SlumberBuddy neutralizes these influences, ensuring deep sleep. It is available in three different sizes to accommodate different mattress widths. It is placed on top of the mattress under the bottom sheet to create a harmonic field in the body:

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Swiss Harmony’s SlumberBuddy neutralizes these influences, ensuring deep sleep. It is available in three different sizes to accommodate different mattress widths. It is placed on top of the mattress under the bottom sheet to create a harmonic field in the body.
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No problem, I knew what I was getting into when I posted that. My experience, and experiences of many others, have proven otherwise. Granted 15 years ago, I would have scoffed as well.

Look if it helps a poor guy sleep better at night, then there is no harm done.
At a first glance it COULD seem that no harm is done, but the truth is that crooks sell snake oil, and people feel a tiny bit of relief because of their confirmation bias (illusory correlation). That'll wash away, and people will still have the problems they had before, minus whatever money they gave the crooks.

Now as a physicist I can tell you without any need for a large-scale study that there's no "flow of water" (between rocks or not), at any depth, which could
generate a magnetic field of any relevance. Neither do rocks under pressure create a strong magnetic field (there are a few documented exceptions that happen in seismic regions during seismic events).

Magnetic fields are created by the motion of an electric charge. Water has a negligible charge, and can therefore produce close to no magnetic field.

According to that quack website:
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Considering magnetic fields follow an inverse square with distance law, you can imagine how an already ridiculously weak magnetic field would be dwarfed by these gigantic distances. Whatever "turbulence" these so-called water veins could produce (which in itself is BS, because water, even more so sweet water, doesn't affect magnetic fields in any significant way) is beyond negligible.

If you spend any time in this swissharmony.com website without putting your fist through your screen, you'll find a few precious gems, such as:

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If you have a lilac bush in your garden that refuses to thrive, there is a strong possibility that it is planted over a water vein or another form of geopathic stress. Indoor plants can also be indicators of water veins. Does your begonia refuse to flourish or look withered and lackluster? Try moving it to another space.
That suggest that this quack believes water veins are super narrow, and that their supposed magnetic field turbulences propagate 5 to 1000m in straight lines.

I wish there were regulations against this type of crookery, just as any other type of cons.
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Zürich is only at 400m over sea level. It's hardly the Himalayas.

Maybe think about how your routines are different from Uk to CH?
You'de be surprised how sensitive I am from the high altitude. I fainted on the Jungfraujoch because of the high altitude haha.

Yeah it could be that, for I have a completely different diet since I've moved to Switzerland.

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The OP is AWOL. I bet he's napping.
Yeah sorry. I don't go on this site often, and I only received an email that I just now.

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Sure hope he turned off the email notification for his thread.
I only received an email that I got a reply just now sorry.

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Normally I sleep great anywhere, no matter what pains or problems bother me during day.
I learnt one thing though: I don't sleep well, if my head is not direction South or East - or South-East, like now.

Give it a try, check out the different cardinal directions. If it doesn't help, no big effort wasted.
That's a good shout! I'll try it out thanks

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The air is a bit dryer than here the UK, not much but maybe noticeable if you are sensitive to such things. Could be it's drying your nose out during the night which is making you uncomfortable.

Perhaps invest in an air humidifier?
I haven't thought about it. But getting one cant hurt... apart from my bank balance a little haha. Thanks

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UK houses tend to be draughty compared with Swiss ones (Swiss people have an irrational fear that they'll catch a cold virus if they are in a room with a draught).
Consequentially, Swiss houses/apartments can be warmer. A lower temperature is more conducive to a good nights' sleep.

Perhaps turning off the heating in the bedroom and leaving a window ajar might help?
I used to do this in England, but I freeze my balls off when I open the window during the winter here. I can do it during summer, spring or autumn though. Thanks

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Do you happen to work for a big pharma, ubs, fifa, nestle, etc?
No. Why would that have an affect my sleep?

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The silence, dude, it's the Swiss silence. It lets you hear your tinnitus way louder. And the blood running through your veins. And the twin girls in the corridor chanting "redrum, redrum, redrum".

Now more seriously, could it be that you're missing the background white noise of traffic? Have you tried with a very faint, sleep inducing background track, like those sleep sounds in Spotify?
It's not really the falling asleep part that's hard, but its that I keep waking up during the night

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Don't eat strong swiss cheese before going to bed, invest in some young Cheddar
Ahhhh man! The best thing about Switzerland is the cheese, I can't just give it up. I love a little cheese and crackers before bed.

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I would wager that you are not sleeping well because you have a lot of stress, are under a lot pressure or even depressed.
I thought about that because I am more stressed and unhappy since I've moved here. But it's not like I'm lying in bed overthinking things. It feels more like a body problem than a mental problem if that makes sense?

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Here's an exercise to try, that might help.

Think about all the places where you have slept well.
And then those where you did not.

Now compare factors such as:
  • direction of bed,
  • direction in which you lie in the bed,
  • the type and size of bed,
  • the type and dimensions of the bedding (including the pillow),
  • lighting in the room,
  • lighting from outside the room (and what stops the street lights getting in),
  • ventilation in the room (or indirectly through an adjacent room) before you go to bed and once you are in bed,
  • moisture content in the air,
  • the temperature in the room,
  • the other furniture in the room,
  • the general atmosphere and decor,
  • the proximity of electrical and electonic equipment (anything that emits a buzz or blinks),
etc.

Perhaps you will identify a factor which makes a difference.

If you have more than one room available, you could consider moving your bed into a different room.
I will try these out. Thanks

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At a first glance it COULD seem that no harm is done, but the truth is that crooks sell snake oil, and people feel a tiny bit of relief because of their confirmation bias (illusory correlation). That'll wash away, and people will still have the problems they had before, minus whatever money they gave the crooks.

Now as a physicist I can tell you…..

I wish there were regulations against this type of crookery, just as any other type of cons.
Even with all our technological advances, there are still scientific things we simply do not know. Were one to postulate that we already know all there is to know about science that, in itself, would be unscientific.

With or without the science, or more precisely with or without proof attainable through our current levels of science, there is always at least the possibility that a human can detect (and feel better for, or be stressed or weakened by) something we don't yet know how to name or to measure.

This "something" might be addressed by "some" measures.

It is possible that moving one's bed helps one sleep better.

We don't know, though, whether the causality lies in the way the street light shines in at night, or due North, or the angle of the moonbeams, or the proximity to the neighbours' electronics, or to their chidlren, or in the way the pipes below the bedroom lie, or in the fact of water nearby or kilometres below the topsoil, or in the dimly audible buzzing or hardly perceptible vibrations from a factory, or in the metal in one's tooth fillings, the shape of the building's roof, or the re-construction of a comfortable childhood memory of sleeping, etc., etc.

If one has a problem, it could be well worth trying out more or less any of the possible solutions recommended by fringe/alternative pseudo-science, as long as they don't harm anyone. And as long as they are free or nearly so.

The nonsense happens when someone goes so far as to firmly attribute an improvement or deterioration to something that cannot - at least with our current scientific knowledge - be known or measured, and then charges a lot of money for the magic.
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Agree wholeheartedly. Notwithstanding, the quack statements about water veins and magnetism is BS. We understand magnetism very well. We can measure it extremely well, and we believe we can measure the human brain's magnetism (extremely weak) all the way to more or less accurately measure/estimate the magnetic field of a neutron star. This pseudo-science that states made-up lies as facts I just cannot stand.
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Re: Does anyone else struggle more sleeping in Switzerland?

I think someone has already mentioned that, I just skimmed through the thread, but it may be the silence. I've been always living in a city and I cannot sleep well in a total silence. Actually I can but it's about the slow wake up phase (REM) when I need to have some sound around to have dreams and wake up fresh in the end.

I always set up mp3 player with binaural sound, very low volume, in my bedroom and I use wake up light. Works like a charm.
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Well, if th OP did eventually wake up, and I know I am going to get bashed over the head for this......

There are much more underground riverlets, or rather water veins. If your bed is positions over one, it affects your sleep.

A simple cheap solution, try moving your bed.

//www.geopathologie.ch/en/

https://swissharmony.com/what-are-water-veins/
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At a first glance it COULD seem that no harm is done, but the truth is that crooks sell snake oil, and people feel a tiny bit of relief because of their confirmation bias (illusory correlation). That'll wash away, and people will still have the problems they had before, minus whatever money they gave the crooks......
Totally agree with you BUT Pather only suggested to move the bed.

Like I did. I don't really care if it's really me not sleeping direction South/or South East that causes me sleeping problems. Should I have such problems again (which I mentioned are totally unusual for me) next time I move house - I will shift the bed again
It worked for me twice. Next time it may not. When things turn uncomfortable I always do the "what is different now" listing, change it back and if I reach my goal I don't think about it any further. Problem solved is all I'm after.

I kind of prefer OP to move his bed to him taking Zurich down to London sea-level
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I used to live in the UK and since I've moved to Switzerland I haven't been sleeping as well. I thought it could be a problem with the bed, or that my previous bed was much better. But I've switched beds and still don't sleep as well and when I went to stay at my brothers in England last weekend I slept like a baby. I don't know if it's maybe because of the altitude or a psychological thing, but I was wondering if someone has the same problem with sleeping as me?
Altitude. Where do you live?On top of the Jungfrau?
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