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Re: Ninety year old woman disappears on Uertliberg

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It seems that there's been no news for two weeks now. The latest report (in German, stating that no sign of Beatrice Wyler has been found) was published just a few hours ago.
The helicopters were out again over Uetliberg on Wednesday, just when I thought they were due to give up the search.
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Old 07.12.2018, 12:13
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it would also be horrible and traumatic for your family and loved ones to know you had gone in that way without being able to say goodbye
Assuming that one has family and loved ones still alive.

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Old 07.12.2018, 13:18
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Methinks for the Hinterbliebene death by a sudden fall and a crunching sound is less traumatic than watching your loved ones slowly linger, most possibility in a lot of pain, unless you are totally incoherent and high as a kite after being tanked up to the ´nth degree on morphine.
In my opinion it would be better to say your goodbyes long before you get to that stage.
While of course it is very sad to watch a loved one deteriorate, it is at least a gradual process that you deal with mentally in stages and you have the sense of having said all of your goodbyes. Anyway, this is a very odd debate so lets just agree to disagree.

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Assuming that one has family and loved ones still alive.

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*nods slowly*
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Old 07.12.2018, 13:22
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While of course it is very sad to watch a loved one deteriorate, it is at least a gradual process
It's not always gradual.

I, for one, would not call two weeks 'gradual'.

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Old 07.12.2018, 13:35
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While of course it is very sad to watch a loved one deteriorate, it is at least a gradual process that you deal with mentally in stages and you have the sense of having said all of your goodbyes. Anyway, this is a very odd debate so lets just agree to disagree.

I understand what you mean. Everyone would like to die in a way where you have your close ones standing around your bed, on a high age while you slowly fade away after speaking some philosophical last words.


It just doesn't happen like that for the majority of the people.
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Old 07.12.2018, 15:18
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It's not always gradual.

I, for one, would not call two weeks 'gradual'.

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Two weeks is a lot more gradual than, lets say... 'immediately'.

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I understand what you mean. Everyone would like to die in a way where you have your close ones standing around your bed, on a high age while you slowly fade away after speaking some philosophical last words.

It just doesn't happen like that for the majority of the people.
I am not thinking that every death is going to perfect and movie-like, I am a realist and I have had family members die during my lifetime. I am simply stating the obvious differences between a natural death and a traumatic sudden and unnatural death (and i know you can have sudden natural deaths too). Generally no-one is going to find dying pleasant, but falling off a cliff or in the case Uetliberg more likely down a small ravine and then potentially dying of exposure, alone in the dark is not going to be high on people's list of ways they want to pop their clogs... where dying surrounded by loved ones (yes Tom, assuming you have them) generally is.
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Two weeks is a lot more gradual than, lets say... 'immediately'.



I am not thinking that every death is going to perfect and movie-like, I am a realist and I have had family members die during my lifetime. I am simply stating the obvious differences between a natural death (though of course a heart attack is also sudden) and a traumatic sudden and unnatural death (and i know you can have sudden natural deaths too). Generally no-one is going to find dying pleasant, but falling off a cliff or in the case Uetliberg more likely down a small ravine and then potentially dying of exposure, alone in the dark is not going to be on people's list of ways they want to pop their clogs.
When I had my skiing accident in February, I knew I had broken my back & had some internal bleeding. I made the decision not to allow anyone to put me in the recovery position & drowning in my own blood was preferable to being paralysed, I knew I had to stay conscious at all costs or I would have been placed in the recovery position. Having since discussed this with my wife, I would do the same again. Quality over quantity every time.
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It's not always gradual.

I, for one, would not call two weeks 'gradual'.

Tom
Exactly this.

Sitting all through the night at my father's hospital bedside for 12 hours at a stretch over 14 consecutive nights, watching the last two weeks of my father's life ebb away as metastatic cancer consumed him, was the most traumatic experience of my life. I'm pretty certain he didn't enjoy the experience much, either. Eventually, after weeks of not eating anything and subsisting only on some weird artificial lemon-flavoured liquid, he drowned as his lungs lost the capacity to clear themselves of the fluid build-up resulting from the pulmonary oedema resulting from the pneumonia that was a sequela of his cancer therapy.

I'll take the cliff, thanks.
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I'll take the cliff, thanks.
As long as you leave a note beforehand telling the authorities what you plan to do/have done so you don't waste tax payers' money in pointless searches for you and endanger rescuers lives in the process.
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Re: Ninety year old woman disappears on Uertliberg

Perhaps not the place - but we are so lucky in Switzerland to have alternatives. Sure and peaceful- which your poor dad, and anyone suffering in the UK or anywhere in the world, should have access to. I have been supporting the campaign by Dignity in Dying, by Noel Conway and his wife- and he has just lost his final appeal. So sad. In Switzerland, we have a real choice, and wonderful, humane support- we are very lucky.

And prepare your families - well in advance- that this is your wish and your choice- should that time come- and ask them to respect it and hold your hand... if, and when. Families just do not talk enough about the inevitable.
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Old 07.12.2018, 16:15
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Re: Ninety year old woman disappears on Uertliberg

Her body was found, after all:


https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/pd/de/i...fgefunden.html
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