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Ninety year old woman disappears on Uertliberg

She was one a walking group on the Uetliberg Zürich. The 90 year old was tired and wanted to sit on the bench for a little while. So the group leader said they will go on to the restaurant where they wanted to eat and that she can meet them there. It was a 20 Minute walk to the restaurant.So she remains in the cold and foggy forest alone on the bench. No trace of her has been found since then!! After 2 days. Temp on Uertliberg zero grad daytime.! These egotistical people in the group just thought of their own stomachs. And the group leader shold be prosecuted. Lets hope so!

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Are you judge Rinder in disguise?
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Are you judge Rinder in disguise?
You dont have to be a judge here nincompoop.

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These egotistical people in the group just thought of their own stomachs. And the group leader shold be prosecuted. Lets hope so!
You sound like a teenager... are you? Clearly you have very little experience of having to deal with old people or the human state.

You have no knowledge of all that transpired that day, you were not there, but yet you feel you have the right to cast judgment... remind me again who is egotistical? Oh ya, YOU!
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You sound like a teenager... are you? Clearly you have very little experience of having to deal with old people or the human state.

You have no knowledge of all that transpired that day, you were not there, but yet you feel you have the right to cast judgment... remind me again who is egotistical? Oh ya, YOU!
Read the reports on what happened if you can read German
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You sound like a teenager... are you? Clearly you have very little experience of having to deal with old people or the human state.

You have no knowledge of all that transpired that day, you were not there, but yet you feel you have the right to cast judgment... remind me again who is egotistical? Oh ya, YOU!
I think the obvious point is that you should not leave a 90 year old woman by herself, for any reason, in terrain that is potentially dangerous. The group, or at least part of the group, should have waited 2 minutes until she was ok to continue and then taken her with them, regardless of if she wanted to be 'left alone'.
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I think the obvious point is that you should not leave a 90 year old woman by herself, for any reason, in terrain that is potentially dangerous. The group, or at least part of the group, should have waited 2 minutes until she was ok to continue and then taken her with them.
Someone here has some common sense!!
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She was one a walking group on the Uetliberg Zürich. The 90 year old was tired and wanted to sit on the bench for a little while. So the group leader said they will go on to the restaurant where they wanted to eat and that she can meet them there. It was a 20 Minute walk to the restaurant.So she remains in the cold and foggy forest alone on the bench. No trace of her has been found since then!! After 2 days. Temp on Uertliberg zero grad daytime.! These egotistical people in the group just thought of their own stomachs. And the group leader shold be prosecuted. Lets hope so!

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The report states that "it was agreed" that the woman would meet them there. You have interpreted this as the group leader saying they would go on to the restaurant because they wanted to eat.

It could equally be assumed that the old lady wanted to be left alone and had plans to "disappear" intentionally. She may have wanted to get rid of them. Most group leaders will make double sure that someone wants to be left alone or if they want someone to stay with them.

If she was with an established walking group it is likely she is used to such excursions.
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The report states that "it was agreed" that the woman would meet them there. You have interpreted this as the group leader saying they would go on to the restaurant because they wanted to eat.

It could equally be assumed that the old lady wanted to be left alone and had plans to "disappear" intentionally. She may have wanted to get rid of them. Most group leaders will make double sure that someone wants to be left alone or if they want someone to stay with them.

If she was with an established walking group it is likely she is used to such excursions.
Shes 90 years old and its a long walk from where she was sitting to the restaurant. Negligence thats all! And it was freezing temp
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The report states that "it was agreed" that the woman would meet them there. You have interpreted this as the group leader saying they would go on to the restaurant because they wanted to eat.

It could equally be assumed that the old lady wanted to be left alone and had plans to "disappear" intentionally. She may have wanted to get rid of them. Most group leaders will make double sure that someone wants to be left alone or if they want someone to stay with them.

If she was with an established walking group it is likely she is used to such excursions.
She's 90. You can't leave some who's 90 alone in those circumstances even if she wants it. Maybe they didn't have to sit with her. Someone should have stayed near by in case she needed help/was worse than she thought. What if she had collapsed of exhaustion?

This story is very sad.
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The report states that "it was agreed" that the woman would meet them there. You have interpreted this as the group leader saying they would go on to the restaurant because they wanted to eat.

It could equally be assumed that the old lady wanted to be left alone and had plans to "disappear" intentionally. She may have wanted to get rid of them. Most group leaders will make double sure that someone wants to be left alone or if they want someone to stay with them.

If she was with an established walking group it is likely she is used to such excursions.
It never ceases to amaze me how people will write things that are completely illogical and irrational in order to justify their viewpoint. None of what you say is in any way acceptable in the context of this situation and you are simply making assumptions.

It is however no assumption to say that you should not leave a 90 year old woman by herself in difficult terrain and cold weather. That is just basic common sense.
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Re: Ninety year old woman disappears on Uertliberg

I would also think that somebody should have stayed with her till she got better.

But sometimes old people are quite stubborn. I was working at Spitex during my studies, cleaned, did errands and cooked.

I loved the work, but sometimes it is not so easy to convince an old person to do something different as usual because of his/her safety or health. I remember I was asked to clean the wooden floors with beeswax, which was not safe, because it got slippery and she could have fallen.

I dealt with the old lady and I found out she just liked the smell so much. So I just waxed the parts where she wouldn't walk - like under the wardrobe and she was happy.

But we don't know exactly what happened up there - I hope they find her alive.
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I would also think that somebody should have stayed with her till she got better.

But sometimes old people are quite stubborn. I was working at Spitex during my studies, cleaned, did errands and cooked.

I loved the work, but sometimes it is not so easy to convince an old person to do something different as usual because of his/her safety or health. I remember I was asked to clean the wooden floors with beeswax, which was not safe, because it got slippery and she could have fallen.

I dealt with the old lady and I found out she just liked the smell so much. So I just waxed the parts where she wouldn't walk - like under the wardrobe and she was happy.

But we don't know exactly what happened up there - I hope they find her alive.

The elderly ( especially the ones suffering from demenz or the early stages ) are like children. With children one has to learn to say "no" sometimes for the childs own good. This was such a case. Maybe she did want to sit alone ( or maybe not ) but it would have been no big deal for someone to have sat with her.
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Re: Ninety year old woman disappears on Uertliberg

When the teens go on school camp they are told always to go in groups of three! If something happens to one of them one stay behind and the other one goes for help.

One simply doesn’t leave someone alone regardless of age and regardless how much they insist!
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When the teens go on school camp they are told always to go in groups of three! If something happens to one of them one stay behind and the other one goes for help.

One simply doesn’t leave someone alone regardless of age and regardless how much they insist!
Now you're pushing it. Always its according to the situation.
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It never ceases to amaze me how people will write things that are completely illogical and irrational in order to justify their viewpoint. None of what you say is in any way acceptable in the context of this situation and you are simply making assumptions.

It is however no assumption to say that you should not leave a 90 year old woman by herself in difficult terrain and cold weather. That is just basic common sense.
It always amazes me how people will write things based on a scant text of a news article.

I don't have "a viewpoint" on it, I just pointed out that omtatstat was filling in gaps in the story with his own imagination.

Yes, it's probably unwise to leave a 90 year old alone 20 mins from the restaurant on a cold Autumn day but we don't actually know the full circumstances for sure.
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You sound like a teenager... are you? Clearly you have very little experience of having to deal with old people or the human state.

You have no knowledge of all that transpired that day, you were not there, but yet you feel you have the right to cast judgment... remind me again who is egotistical? Oh ya, YOU!
Thanks for the compliment grandpa
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Re: Ninety year old woman disappears on Uertliberg

Not everybody who is 90 is a person in need of help and care, my grandpa went on holidays on his own up to the age of 96, he drove a car, he had his own household, and was very wel as capable as you and I to be making decisions on his own about the situations as mentioned in the OP.

People who think that everybody of age 90 is a depending weak old human and the group leader is a dumbass lacks knowledge of the real world. We do not know the woman so we are not in the position to judge.

Just another Omtatsat topic where he as usual fails any sign of owning any form of normal reasoning.
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And for those of us who don't read German.

Yesterday, Thursday evening, a hiking group sounded the alarm at the Zurich City Police. They filed a missing persons report, as the Zurich City Police announced today, Friday.

The hiking group was on their way on the Uetliberg on Thursday. In the area of the so-called Fallätsche, the woman sat down on a small bench shortly after 11 am to rest. As the leader of the hiking group told the Zurich city police, it had been agreed that the elderly woman would meet the group after her break at the Uto Staffel mountain restaurant. But she never arrived there, so the hiking group searched for her colleague independently but without success.

According to the Zurich city police, a search operation was already initiated on Thursday evening. Currently they are on duty with about 30 policemen and policewomen as well as several service dogs and are searching for the missing person. The strong fog, however, prevents the use of helicopters or thermal imaging cameras.

The search continues on Friday afternoon. The police ask the population for help. The missing 90-year-old is about 160 centimeters tall, slim, has medium-length, grey/white mottled hair and blue eyes. She wears black shoes, black trousers, a light brown coat, a light brown Béret and probably has a black shoulder bag with her, writes the city police. Anyone who is able to provide information about his whereabouts or has made pertinent observations is asked to contact the Zurich City Police (telephone: 044 411 71 17, here you can find the missing persons report of the Zurich City Police).

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Read the reports on what happened if you can read German
I read the reposts and it did not meant that you were there. My comment still stands.
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