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Old 10.12.2018, 09:40
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

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But we will never know because such information is not available in Switzerland.
What information is not available? I bet you mean "not available to me as I do not speak the local language well enough to understand public websites"...

Since you seem to be obsessed with potential islamists in Switzerland, here are the statistics by the Swiss version of the FBI, published a month ago:
https://www.vbs.admin.ch/de/themen/n...dreisende.html

93 Jihadists have travelled from CH into Jihad, 31 of them have Swiss nationality. Or in other words: a whole lot less than from the UK, France, Belgium, the Netherlands or Germany. Because the Muslim community in CH is mostly either Turkish or from the Balkans and less radical than the Pakistanis that immigrated into the UK before or the North Africans with French or Belgian historic ties...
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

we are talking about international events in an international context and since Switzerland is part of the international community with open borders could it be possible that somebody will travel from France or Germany or Austria or Italy or any other country to Switzerland and commit an attack
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Old 10.12.2018, 09:54
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

if you're that worried then just lock yourself up in your apartment and never come out.

seriously you're going to spend your life worrying about someone driving into a crowd, may as well just let 'them' know they have won and give up.
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Old 10.12.2018, 09:55
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we are talking about international events in an international context
Zurich Christmas market... an international event?




I think you had a Gluehwein too much...
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:02
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if you're that worried then just lock yourself up in your apartment and never come out....
...instead of promoting the vulnerabilities on youtube and doing terrorists research for them! Numpty! I just wonder how long the police and security were following you for, and about the nice little file they've set up about your suspicious activities.
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:16
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I just wonder how long the police and security were following you for, and about the nice little file they've set up about your suspicious activities.
This.

The irony of the thread is that the only person actually behaving suspiciously enough to gain the interest of the police is the OP.

Casing high-end jewellery shops in detail including their security measures is pretty naive. It would have stuck out a mile to anyone.
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:29
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Paranoia much?

Have fun living your life in constant fear of highly unlikely incidents. Chances that you'll get hurt or killed by someone driving a car into a Christmas market in Zurich just as you walk around the stalls are ridiculously slim.

Coincidentally, given I travel a fair bit, I've been to a few locations where there were actual terrorist attacks nearby (while I was there). With the exception of 9/11, that never evoked any particular fear, let alone any paranoia.

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FACT: Swiss security is very sophisticated. Switzerland employs a very large number of security personnel in uniform, undercover, civilian, military, kantonal, local, federal and international... All officials and officials buildings receive security protection.
Uhm no.

Also, terrorist attacks aside, re that "90-year olds can't drive because they confuse brake and gas" - that actually happens very rarely.

Last but not least: you really think a proper car can't drive into pretty much anything, including most barriers, if they really wanted to?
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:34
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

<<Not enough security in Zurich>>

<<I have never been stopped and searched by the police>> after being taken apart by the police.



Seems to me Zurich police is pretty alert and on the spot while keeping a low profile. Not bad.
While they searched you I'm sure they already knew you had asked about security details at the Christmas market and by now I guess they know your youtube channel and probably your shoe-size.

<<It's alright, I'm just filming security measure of the jewelry stores here>> so many roflmao's on a Monday morning.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

the same goes for dying in a terrorist related air incident. But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time...

also switzerland being invaded is extremely unlikely given that it is neutral ... but that does not keep the army from expanding and updating their tactics equipment and strategies every year.

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Paranoia much?

Have fun living your life in constant fear of highly unlikely incidents. Chances that you'll get hurt or killed by someone driving a car into a Christmas market in Zurich just as you walk around the stalls are ridiculously slim.

Coincidentally, given I travel a fair bit, I've been to a few locations where there were actual terrorist attacks nearby (while I was there). With the exception of 9/11, that never evoked any particular fear, let alone any paranoia.



Uhm no.

Also, terrorist attacks aside, that "90-year olds can't drive because they confuse brake and gas" - that actually happens very rarely.

Last but not least: you really think a proper car can't drive into pretty much anything, including any of your funny barriers, if they really wanted to?
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

you are a funny chap op
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the same goes for dying in a terrorist related air incident. But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time...
Where?

I can fly most places and rock up to the airport, provided I've only got hand luggage, and can be at the gate less than 20 mins after getting off the train. If I have to check baggage it takes maybe another 10-15 mins depending on the queue.

"A few extra hours"??
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But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time...
Wow, what an exaggeration. Zurich airport I walk in the building and am through security in 15-20 mins. Similar 25 or so mins in Gatwick/Birmingham in the UK.

Only in the USA have I seen additional security measures leading to significant additional waiting times.
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the same goes for dying in a terrorist related air incident. But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time...
You don't seem to fly a lot. This might be true for flights to the US, but within Europe is security really not that much of a topic... I spend on average less than 5 minutes in the security checks in Luxembourg, not much more in Zurich. Certainly not hours.
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open up 20min.ch and read the top headline:
https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich...mung--24066837

it is the same topic that I covered last year and it is a very serious topic.
To be honest I'd be more scared of this story in the 20 mins

https://www.20min.ch/ro/news/monde/s...e-ski-31194657
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the same goes for dying in a terrorist related air incident. But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time...

also switzerland being invaded is extremely unlikely given that it is neutral ... but that does not keep the army from expanding and updating their tactics equipment and strategies every year.
I didn't say that I agree with the security measures at airports, didn't I... Some are ok and logical given that millions of passengers pass through all kinds of airports and fly all over the world at any given minute. The liquid stuff isn't, but then again, who came up with that? Certainly not Switzerland, but the arguably most paranoid country in the world.

And I hope you see a difference between the defense of an entire country vs putting up a few barriers at a Christmas market.
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Where?

I can fly most places and rock up to the airport, provided I've only got hand luggage, and can be at the gate less than 20 mins after getting off the train. If I have to check baggage it takes maybe another 10-15 mins depending on the queue.

"A few extra hours"??
I can still make it from home to the gate in 20 minutes.....
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

You can not check in 20 min before a flight. Its a security measure.
After all passengers have boarded the crew must account for all passengers and luggage in order to exclude certain types of terror related tactics.

and WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned due to terror related fears.

so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.


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Wow, what an exaggeration. Zurich airport I walk in the building and am through security in 15-20 mins. Similar 25 or so mins in Gatwick/Birmingham in the UK.

Only in the USA have I seen additional security measures leading to significant additional waiting times.
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To be honest I'd be more scared of this story in the 20 mins

https://www.20min.ch/ro/news/monde/s...e-ski-31194657


I found this one the most scary: https://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/st...glich-13762923
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Did someone really post a youtube clip to open a tin foil hat thread on Monday morning?
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You can not check in 20 min before a flight. Its a security measure.
After all passengers have boarded the crew must account for all passengers and luggage in order to exclude certain types of terror related tactics.

and WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned due to terror related fears.

so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.
Why do you need to check in 20 mins before? People with any sense check in online the day or two before, or are you still living in the dark ages?

Water 'the most important element to human life' (ahh how American in your dramatism) is banned only going through security to attempt to ensure no common corrosive or toxic substances are taken inside. Water is then purchasable in the many shops past security, ensuring human life can continue.

We all know terrorism exists and many of our countries have been affected by it. I appreciate you will have experienced more than most during in your time during the forces but there is no reason for trying to generate panic where none is needed. and it seems like the only reason you are on this forum is to spread your own brand of paranoia and panic.
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