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You can not check in 20 min before a flight. Its a security measure.
True. Most people check in 24 hours beforehand. At home.

I think most people here are saying it only takes 20 minutes to get from arriving at the airport to gate.

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After all passengers have boarded the crew must account for all passengers and luggage in order to exclude certain types of terror related tactics.
They've always done that, though. Baggage can't travel without the passenger on board.

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and WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned due to terror related fears.
Nope. Liquids are banned in general. Water is available airside and on the aircraft itself. Nobody will die of thirst.

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so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.
Maybe the other countries should be looking at Switzerland and asking themselves why the Swiss can get away with lax security and there are still no terrorist attacks, instead of forcing Switzerland to take unnecessary and draconian measures simply to please paranoid furriners.
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Old 10.12.2018, 09:59
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Did someone really post a youtube clip to open a tin foil hat thread on Monday morning?
It's only Monday?

Judging by this thread, I figured that I overslept and it was Friday!

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Old 10.12.2018, 10:01
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You can not check in 20 min before a flight. Its a security measure.
After all passengers have boarded the crew must account for all passengers and luggage in order to exclude certain types of terror related tactics.

and WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned due to terror related fears.

so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.
you've not flown lately, have you?
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Did someone really post a youtube clip to open a tin foil hat thread on Monday morning?
Worse: First he produced the youtube clip himself.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

most importantly everybody must realize that this has nothing to do with Switzerland other than the fact that it is in Switzerland and swiss authorities must organize the appropriate security measures however this has to do with international norms international responsibilities and international events because if something were to happen this will be on international news and the consequences will be world-wide reaching.
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:08
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most importantly everybody must realize that this has nothing to do with Switzerland other than the fact that it is in Switzerland and swiss authorities must organize the appropriate security measures however this has to do with international norms international responsibilities and international events because if something were to happen this will be on international news and the consequences will be world-wide reaching.
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But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time...
And how many times a year do you fly?

I fly all the time on every continent and with the exception of Israel, I never showed up at any airport longer than 2 hours in advance. No, not even in the US.

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No it's not.

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most importantly everybody must realize that this has nothing to do with Switzerland other than the fact that it is in Switzerland and swiss authorities must organize the appropriate security measures however this has to do with international norms international responsibilities and international events because if something were to happen this will be on international news and the consequences will be world-wide reaching.
Jeez. They "must" do no such thing because of one overly paranoid person like yourself. There are neither international norms nor responsibilities to protect the Christmas markets with barriers
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:09
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Ok, since nobody mentioned it will I add an actual fact to the discussion: The typical concrete barriers have more in common with the airport checks than most might think: They absolutely don't work. The airport security takes the water bottles from the retired travelers to make them feel safe, because clearly somebody is doing something about security. These concrete blocks wont stop even a 10 ton truck in any way. But people see that the government is clearly doing something about the terror attacks... pure placebo.

Want to see it? Here is a test by DEKRA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybveol56BNc
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The liquid stuff isn't, but then again, who came up with that? Certainly not Switzerland, but the arguably most paranoid country in the world.
To my mind, this was and is, a very logical security measure. I was working on a flight booking team the day it introduced, and it was absolute bedlam, but it was a direct and immediate response to serious intelligence regarding an imminent threat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_t..._aircraft_plot It was about 10.15 that day before we had the official info/reason to pass on to our clients, but once they were made aware, the vast majority were reassured that action was being taken.

The thing is, there have always been certain liquids that could not be purchased airside or carried in hand luggage. The public never noticed them much, because in those days, most of the people carrying hand luggage only would be business travellers, and they were highly unlikely to be packing hair dye
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:12
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You can not check in 20 min before a flight. Its a security measure.
After all passengers have boarded the crew must account for all passengers and luggage in order to exclude certain types of terror related tactics.

and WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned due to terror related fears.

so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.
You are innocent, aren´t you? I did not say I check in 20 minutes beforehand. I check in 24 - 30 hours beforehand, online. I just need a limited amount of time to get to the gate, as to your "one needs two hours at least"

The crew does not check anything terror related, they just check the head count and if the luggage/cargo listed is correct.

Water is not banned, you can bring a bottle and fill it up at the airport without any problem. They do sell that, you know, and there are wash basins.....
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

except (with the equipment that would be available to any bomber on a plane) there is no such thing as a liquid bomb.
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So what exactly is your motivation, why are you crusading for this? Did you have an experience with terrorism inside Switzerland?

As has been pointed out CH is not a target of any real significance for terrorism due to a lack of involvement in international wars in the middle east, and while it could theoretically happen that an attack occurs, it is extremely unlikely.

As for the "government wants something to happen" spiel... now this is the paranoid sort of crap that harms your credibility. This is not a country of the scale and complexity of the USA where governments comprised of ultra rich and powerful people are entangled in multiple webs of dark politics with agencies behind agencies. The politics is comparatively (and refreshingly) simple and the governments comprised of relatively normal people.

Seems to me like you are trying to stir up some hysteria.
He's an hysteric poster
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open up 20min.ch and read the top headline:
https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich...mung--24066837

it is the same topic that I covered last year and it is a very serious topic.
So focking what. You have to die somehow!
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Old 10.12.2018, 10:28
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WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned on aircraft due to terror related fears.
Twaddle. FACT.

In Basel during events and markets, the police are armed with sub machine guns, as well as their side arms. That's new. During the Jazz festival, and Herbstmesse there were concrete barriers in place (and patrolling police with sub machine guns).

I reported some possible Islamist behaviour that came to my attention through my contact with asylum seekers to the police last year. A police officer accompanied by someone who I think must have been a spook came around and we had a chat. The office gave me his name and showed id, the other guy didn't. But he gave me a mobile number - and told me to list it under "friend". It seems they take security seriously enough to check up on things. They did say that anyone with suspicions should report it - even if nothing comes of it.
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Twaddle. FACT.

In Basel during events and markets, the police are armed with sub machine guns, as well as their side arms. That's new. During the Jazz festival, and Herbstmesse there were concrete barriers in place (and patrolling police with sub machine guns).

I reported some possible Islamist behaviour that came to my attention through my contact with asylum seekers to the police last year. A police officer accompanied by someone who I think must have been a spook came around and we had a chat. The office gave me his name and showed id, the other guy didn't. But he gave me a mobile number - and told me to list it under "friend". It seems they take security seriously enough to check up on things. They did say that anyone with suspicions should report it - even if nothing comes of it.
Islamist behaviour
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but Switzerland is neutral and will never have a problem with terrorism.
FACT: Terrorists do not care if you are a woman, child or whatever nationality. They want to send a message and that is why they attack "mass events".

Switzerland has such low number is terrorists under surveillance compare to France, Germany etc...
FACT: Switzerland has open borders and any person with ill intent can reach Zurich in a couple of hours.

Switzerland is neutral so terrorists do not have a reason to attack.
FACT: Switzerland is a very large producer of weapons uses in international conflicts. Switzerland is part of many international organizations which have been the focus of controversy.

Security measures would ruin the Christmas feeling.
FACT: Swiss security officials are responsible to ensure security for all regardless of their opinion (at public events).

Switzerland is so safe that our presidents walk around without security:
FACT: Swiss security is very sophisticated. Switzerland employs a very large number of security personnel in uniform, undercover, civilian, military, kantonal, local, federal and international... All officials and officials buildings receive security protection.

Dont be paranoid. Dying in a terror related incident at the christmas market is extremely low. Switzerland will never be attacked.
FACT: the same goes for dying in a terror related air incident. But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time... also switzerland being invaded is extremely unlikely given that it is neutral ... but that does not keep the army from expanding and updating their tactics equipment and strategies every year.

PS: WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned on aircraft due to terror related fears.
so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful swiss made security barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.

most importantly everybody must realize that this has nothing to do with Switzerland other than the fact that it is in Switzerland and swiss authorities must organize the appropriate security measures however this has to do with international norms international responsibilities and international events because if something were to happen this will be on international news and the consequences will be world-wide reaching.
Repeatedly retro-adding info to your original post after the topics have been pulled apart later in the thread isn't good netiquette.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

is you see suspicious behaviour just give the signal

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Twaddle. FACT.

In Basel during events and markets, the police are armed with sub machine guns, as well as their side arms. That's new. During the Jazz festival, and Herbstmesse there were concrete barriers in place (and patrolling police with sub machine guns).
I recently went to a gig at Halle 622 in Oerlikon. Your bags are checked into a steel shipping container outside the venue, same as at Letzigrund last year.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Thank you for those facts. good information.

Additionally last year following my conversation various police officials they decided to install some concrete barriers in the Zurich main station.
Why the main station and why not the mass public event square next to the main road?


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Twaddle. FACT.

In Basel during events and markets, the police are armed with sub machine guns, as well as their side arms. That's new. During the Jazz festival, and Herbstmesse there were concrete barriers in place (and patrolling police with sub machine guns).

I reported some possible Islamist behaviour that came to my attention through my contact with asylum seekers to the police last year. A police officer accompanied by someone who I think must have been a spook came around and we had a chat. The office gave me his name and showed id, the other guy didn't. But he gave me a mobile number - and told me to list it under "friend". It seems they take security seriously enough to check up on things. They did say that anyone with suspicions should report it - even if nothing comes of it.
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