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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Armageddon is upon us; Omtatsat is (more or less) posting on the rational side of things.

To the OP: thanks for my daily reminder that people are just evolved monkeys - some of us less so than others.
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WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned due to terror related fears.

so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.
As we do not ban water on planes, and water can be brought onto the plane easily and legally we hence therefore can conclude that barriers are not needed.

Anyway, if we speak about water and barriers. During the Limmatschwimmen a race boat could without any hindrance whatsoever dash down the Limmat and plow through the thousands of swimmers. Why are there no bollards or at least some spiky naval mines at the Quaibrücke?

And speaking of threads has anyone recently checked if the Glühwein contains Coumarin (LD50 293 mg/kg) or Eugenol (LD50 1930 mg/kg)? Toxic poisons which can be easily added and hidden in Glühwein.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Most of those security measures are to make us feel safe without actually being effective or meaningful, you can protect the market as much as you please but can't stop hundreds of people standing at the crossing upfront of the station nicely lined up next to the road. And nobody blinks an eye if people with huge trolleys enter the market.
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More than 60 posts in four hours. Not bad, not bad at all.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

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and WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned due to terror related fears.

so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.
this is why liquids are not allowed on flights

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Old 10.12.2018, 13:47
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

In all fairness, the OP is right. I went to the Bellevue market at the weekend and now I'm dead. Inside.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Thanks OP for the information. But I remain sceptical about how this plan to drive into the xmas market would would. Could you maybe post a photo of the map and the direction at which you think would cause a risk?

As you know, people can just move out of the way, and you'd need to build up some speed. Maybe you can illustrate what the optimal path of destruction would be and illustrate with arrows the entry point, path and acceleration strategy?

As we need to make people aware, it might be good to translate this to Arabic too. It's great that you made this video to raise awareness that there is a very soft target in the heart of Europe just waiting to be attacked.
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this is why water is not allowed on flights
simple yet very dangerous plot

Water is allowed as many already have said, you dumbass.
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most importantly everybody must realize that this has nothing to do with Switzerland other than the fact that it is in Switzerland and swiss authorities must organize the appropriate security measures however this has to do with international norms international responsibilities and international events because if something were to happen this will be on international news and the consequences will be world-wide reaching.
OK, so you are scared sh*tless and have decided to succumb to terrorism. So stay at home and hide behind the couch or under the bed, so have you thought of New Zealand perhaps....

Also stay off the internet in case they figure out where you live and come to get you. Really you are pathetic and exactly what the terrorists want. You're their poster person.
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most importantly everybody must realize that this has nothing to do with Switzerland other than the fact that it is in Switzerland and swiss authorities must organize the appropriate security measures however this has to do with international norms international responsibilities and international events because if something were to happen this will be on international news and the consequences will be world-wide reaching.
You have not yet noticed that the Swiss are not all that bothered with "international norms", being in the "international news". We kind of like the "Gallier-reputation" we have sometimes.
And it is Swiss authorities", so viel Respekt muss sein.

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Ok, since nobody mentioned it will I add an actual fact to the discussion: The typical concrete barriers have more in common with the airport checks than most might think: They absolutely don't work. The airport security takes the water bottles from the retired travelers to make them feel safe, because clearly somebody is doing something about security. These concrete blocks wont stop even a 10 ton truck in any way. But people see that the government is clearly doing something about the terror attacks... pure placebo.

Want to see it? Here is a test by DEKRA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybveol56BNc
Only the testfield barrier was able to slow the truck enough after it took a camera down as well. <<Das war so nicht geplant>> (that's not how this test was planned), ROFLMAO.
So with putting concrete blocks around the market not only the victims won't know what's happening, the terrorists can't plan properly anymore either.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

why would a terrorist use a truck in switzerland anyway? machine gun, crowded market, job done.
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

Feels good to indentify a problem and to be part of the solution.

Zurich will invest next year in more security. On request, media director Marco Cortesi says: "In the summer, we publicly advertised the procurement of a vehicle restraint system." The evaluation is currently underway. "We'll make a decision by spring." According to Cortesi, it's up to the local council to approve the budget.

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Today top headline is "Lack of Security at the Christmas market"
https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich...mung--24066837

They say that «Terror barriers destroy the Christmas spirit» but promise to increase security next year.

However in my video you can see that every jewelry store in Zurich has Barriers and the spirit is very profitable. Security barriers come in many forms as you can see in the video.





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but Switzerland is neutral and will never have a problem with terrorism.
FACT: Terrorists do not care if you are a woman, child or whatever nationality. They want to send a message and that is why they attack "mass events".

Switzerland has such low number is terrorists under surveillance compare to France, Germany etc...
FACT: Switzerland has open borders and any person with ill intent can reach Zurich in a couple of hours.

Switzerland is neutral so terrorists do not have a reason to attack.
FACT: Switzerland is a very large producer of weapons uses in international conflicts. Switzerland is part of many international organizations which have been the focus of controversy.

Security measures would ruin the Christmas feeling.
FACT: Swiss security officials are responsible to ensure security for all regardless of their opinion (at public events).

Switzerland is so safe that our presidents walk around without security:
FACT: Swiss security is very sophisticated. Switzerland employs a very large number of security personnel in uniform, undercover, civilian, military, kantonal, local, federal and international... All officials and officials buildings receive security protection.

Dont be paranoid. Dying in a terror related incident at the christmas market is extremely low. Switzerland will never be attacked.
FACT: the same goes for dying in a terror related air incident. But security is extreme at all airports to the extent that air travelers must add a few extra hours on top of the flight time... also switzerland being invaded is extremely unlikely given that it is neutral ... but that does not keep the army from expanding and updating their tactics equipment and strategies every year.

PS: WATER, the most important element to human life, is banned on aircraft due to terror related fears.
so if we ban water I think we can install some beautiful swiss made security barriers next to the street to protect the drunk masses attending whatever event in public squares.

most importantly everybody must realize that this has nothing to do with Switzerland other than the fact that it is in Switzerland and swiss authorities must organize the appropriate security measures however this has to do with international norms international responsibilities and international events because if something were to happen this will be on international news and the consequences will be world-wide reaching.
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Feels good to indentify a problem and to be part of the solution.
nope, really you didn't, and you aren't
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Feels good to indentify a problem and to be part of the solution.
And what about the poisoned Glühwein I mentioned? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about all the people crammed at street crossings and sidewalks EdwinNL mentions? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about machine guns which bigblue2 mentions and other automatic and semi-automatic weapons? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about all the merchants bringing in trolleys of goods with hidden bombs EdwinNL mentions? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about the overall depressing atmospheres of such Christmas markets which StirB mentions which leaves you dead inside? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

Because of your very own post there are now many more security holes at Christmas markets than in any time before. You have created them, you are responsible to fix them. It will be your fault if something will happen.
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And what about the poisoned Glühwein I mentioned? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. still a big security issue which you did not fix.
Or that assistant program of your Volvo? I saw the video... how dangerous!!!
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Or that assistant program of your Volvo? I saw the video... how dangerous!!!
And I am pretty sure people are smoking on Christmass markets with the sole aim to slowly kill the bystanders by second hand smoke lung cancer. What a thread, what a cunning plan. Put a tail on it and it would be a fox.
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We are not talking about the security barriers you find at concerts checking peoples bags... we talk about the concrete blocks known as "Merkel Lego" in Germany:


When was this photo taken? I was in the X-Mas market last year and there were no Merkel Lego in the Altmarkt, just a couple of normal concrete blocks next to the Kulturpalast, on the way to the Neumarkt.
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I just googled "Merkel Lego". I don't typically take photos of anti-terror barriers. Unlike the OP not my type of hobby.


I photoshopped them in to give the people of Zurich more paranoia.

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And what about the poisoned Glühwein I mentioned? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about all the people crammed at street crossings and sidewalks EdwinNL mentions? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about machine guns which bigblue2 mentions and other automatic and semi-automatic weapons? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about all the merchants bringing in trolleys of goods with hidden bombs EdwinNL mentions? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

What about the overall depressing atmospheres of such Christmas markets which StirB mentions which leaves you dead inside? Nothing, nada, you did not address it at all. Still a big security issue which you did not fix.

Because of your very own post there are now many more security holes at Christmas markets than in any time before. You have created them, you are responsible to fix them. It will be your fault if something will happen.
I'm a bit piqued about you bringing the Spanish speaking world population into this. Shouldn't that be "Nothing, لا شيء" ?


Merkel-Lego? LOL. One can't even sit on them comfortably it seems, so they REALLY are no use, eih?
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Re: Zurich Christmas market lack of Security

I don't know why you lot are having a go at the OP to be honest. In April, at that very market, I saw terrorists on horseback setting fire to a tied up, large pale man. It can happen in Zurich, don't let your guard down.
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