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Recycling containers

Like many Swiss residents, I suspect, we have a hodge-podge of recycling containers. A plastic four drawer thingie in the Kitchen, a two drawer thingie in the vestibule for paper and cardboard, Migros foldable boxes in the basement etc.

Like many Swiss residents, I suspect, I want something tidier but easier to use.

Googling and searching, including this forum hasn’t given me great ideas. Amazon dot de has some things but the shipping costs are onerous.

Can anyone offer their personal recommendations for a system available here?

I’m not looking for links for stuff that might be available, but stuff that EFers use and, perhaps, love.

Thank you.
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Old 01.01.2019, 16:34
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Re: Recycling containers

IKEA bag.

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Like many Swiss residents, I suspect, we have a hodge-podge of recycling containers. A plastic four drawer thingie in the Kitchen, a two drawer thingie in the vestibule for paper and cardboard, Migros foldable boxes in the basement etc.

Like many Swiss residents, I suspect, I want something tidier but easier to use.

Googling and searching, including this forum hasn’t given me great ideas. Amazon dot de has some things but the shipping costs are onerous.

Can anyone offer their personal recommendations for a system available here?

I’m not looking for links for stuff that might be available, but stuff that EFers use and, perhaps, love.

Thank you.
Maybe here

http://www.swissrecycling.ch/dienstl...ivathaushalte/
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Re: Recycling containers

Depends on how many people live in the house and how often do you visit the recycling collection point.
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Old 01.01.2019, 20:00
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Re: Recycling containers

I use some white nylon cloth hampers from IKEA for bulky stuff like PET, Styro, etc. 3 regular paper bags fit in them. Makes karting everything down to the garage a lot simpler.
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Re: Recycling containers

I've tried many options but for me, a few of the pop-up garden waste sacks have worked best for PET, other plastics and general collection. They maintain the shape even when empty, are lightweight, strong and collapse for storage or transport. There are some nice color options so they don't have to look like garden items. I think it's 85L or so.

Something like the attached, but nicer color and textile.
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Old 01.01.2019, 21:42
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Re: Recycling containers

I'll just take glass, PET & metal along every time I go shopping (which is almost daily) so that does never build up. Cardboard and paper go in a big kitchen drawer and if that is full I bind things together and put them in the basement till I feel like putting it on the road for collection.
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Old 01.01.2019, 22:27
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Re: Recycling containers

Is that not the point of paying 20chf for the white plastic tax bags? You just put EVERYTHING in them and no need to recycle?

Have I been doing it wrong all these year?
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Re: Recycling containers

John, that is not how I understand it works. Having to pay iCHF 20 per white sac is supposed to encourage you to separate your rubbish and to take your recyclables directly to the déchetterie.

You are not supposed to put glass, alu etc. in the white bags.
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John, that is not how I understand it works. Having to pay iCHF 20 per white sac is supposed to encourage you to separate your rubbish and to take your recyclables directly to the déchetterie.

You are not supposed to put glass, alu etc. in the white bags.
20,- per white sack would even encourage me to cook the plastic packaging along with the meat.
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Old 01.01.2019, 22:49
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John, that is not how I understand it works. Having to pay iCHF 20 per white sac is supposed to encourage you to separate your rubbish and to take your recyclables directly to the déchetterie.

You are not supposed to put glass, alu etc. in the white bags.
LOL .. I'm being silly .. I'm know the guys up at Signy very well

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20,- per white sack would even encourage me to cook the plastic packaging along with the meat.
20.- gets us 10 x 35l bags.. We use them for the general non-recyclables, food wrapping plastic for example. I believe they are incinerated so indeed, we should not put glass in them..

So even at just 2.- per sack, I'd very quickly be bankrupt with the amount of garbage we produce.
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Re: Recycling containers

Paper and cardboard
Flatten, collapse, fold neatly as you go and put it in a paper shopping bag. This is then collected once per month.
If we have a cardboard box that is not too big, then this is used in place of the paper bag and then tie up with string on day of collection.

Bottles, cans, etc
One heavy duty shopping bag. This gets emptied most days, as we have to walk past a bottle recycle.

Other stuff
Once every 6-8 weeks, pay a visit to the local recycle centre, with Styrofoam, DVDs, plastics, etc., but also take all of the above, if going.


Questions on the paper/cardboard ...

- Are you supposed to separate paper from cardboard? We never have and it's always been collected, even though it it quite obvious that it is a mix.

- do you remove the plastic window from envelopes? we do, but checking with Swiss colleagues, it is a mix of "yes, that is what you are supposed to do", "no, you don't have to" and "no, but not sure what the law is".

- yogurt pots with with removable cardboard sleeve - as with the envelope window, what do you do? We do remove it ... tub goes in bebbi sack and sleeve goes in the cardboard/paper bag.

One last point on the paper/cardboard. Swiss colleague told me that due to the recycling of paper/cardboard being so efficient, it is sometimes a challenge when it comes to incinerating the general household waste, so sometimes they have to add paper/cardboard to get it going.
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Old 02.01.2019, 16:12
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Re: Recycling containers

Depends on your household setup and how much waste you produce, I suppose. We don't have any special containers. We use wine boxes and grocery store paper sacks.

Since our flat is small, we have a setup for upstairs and one in the cellar. In a corner of our kitchen (which you can't see from the main living area) we have a wine box for the bottles/cans and a standard grocery store paper sack for the paper. In the cellar, we have grocery store paper sacks.

We rinse bottles/cans before putting in the box. When the box is full, I double-check to dump any remaining water from the bottles, take it down to the cellar and sort the stuff into the 3 paper sacks down there - plastic, cans, and glass bottles. Then the wine box comes back up. A paper sack holds 10 wine bottles, and even more plastic bottles and crushed cans, so it takes 2 people a while to fill each of the sacks. Once we have about 5-6 sacks in the cellar, we can easily carry them to the car and then dump them at the recycling center. I think we only go 4x a year.

For the paper, when the upstairs sack is full I dump it out, bundle it, put it back in, and take downstairs. A "new" paper sack goes in its place. When it's collection day, the paper is already bundled and in a bag with a carrying handle, so I carry it out and stack it with everyone else's bundles. Then the paper sack goes back inside, because of course those count as cardboard not as paper.

It's low tech and not really pretty, but no one can see it anyway. It's very functional and very cheap.
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Old 02.01.2019, 16:46
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Re: Recycling containers

I use something like this to collect and bind paper. The key property is that you don't need to take out the paper to bind it as the bottom is specifically designed so you can wrap the cord around the paper while it's still in the collector. I probably bought mine from Ikea for 20-30CHF, 69 seems usurious.

There's enough room on the sides for some cardboard, e.g. a few pizza boxes. The cardboard has its own heap in the garage, next to the bundled paper.
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Depends on your commune. Some accept mixed bags, others don't. Mimick your neighbors or ask the commune, you may get a flyer or calendar around the turn of the year with the commune's phone numbers.

There are two potential issues with cardboard/paper. One is the lignin, the cardboard hasn't been rid of it so the fibers stay strong and brown, you can't use them to produce white-ish paper. The other is the coating, for instance the water-repellent coating that keeps a brown paper bag strong longer when wet.

Envelopes raise a different but similar issue: the glue used for the seal, the window, and the address. It can make the pulp (your paper dissolved in water as part of the recycling process) clot and block the machine.

Perhaps mimick your neighbors in what they do, or ask them or your commune's recycling center. You probably get a calendar of sorts at the turn of the year with the most important numbers and dates.
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- One last point on the paper/cardboard. Swiss colleague told me that due to the recycling of paper/cardboard being so efficient, it is sometimes a challenge when it comes to incinerating the general household waste, so sometimes they have to add paper/cardboard to get it going.
These days that's a myth without substance.

During startup (and shutdown) they may need additional burners to get (keep) the exhaust to (at) the temperature required by the cleaning system (Rauchgasreinigung), but outside of these phases that's not necessary.
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Re: Recycling containers

Ikea Trones are very good for this purpose, although IKEA positions them as shoe closets. They can be stacked and can be attached to each other from the sides, so you can put as many of them on top/beside each other according to your needs and place available. I have two of them in the kitchen and four of them in the storage room, and it's enough for all the staff to be recycled and even more.
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I use something like this to collect and bind paper. The key property is that you don't need to take out the paper to bind it as the bottom is specifically designed so you can wrap the cord around the paper while it's still in the collector. I probably bought mine from Ikea for 20-30CHF, 69 seems usurious.
I was not able to find a similar item on Ikea website, but Lehner Versand, Micasa and Interio have such items (slightly different designs but an idea is the same) for 29 CHF.

I was going to buy this thing long ago, but I still hesitate because the kids might see which of their "drawings" are destined to be recycled after all my cleanings of their rooms during the last month. So far I prefer to keep paper stuff to be recycled in the non-transparent box and secretly bundle it and put it on the street on Friday morning while the kids are at school.

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Old 03.01.2019, 03:53
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Re: Recycling containers

This, from IKEA.



The range is called ALGOT and the frames come in various heights, and the baskets/drawers in various styles (wire, solid plastic, etc.). I use 2x the tallest frames with three wire baskets in each, which allows me to separate and store paper and cardboard, aluminium and steel cans, glass, and refundable bottles (from Germany), with ease. I just pull the baskets out and take them with me to the recycling point/shop as required.

IKEA sells a white wooden shelf to top off the frame to provide further useful storage/working space.
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