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Even if they are clearly fantasies?
I find they acted very unprofessionally and the undercover cop without explaining the situation and clearly proving he is from the police
Tom was pulling people's legs with that.

"the police decided just to search me, even though I am a white female"
That attitude of entitlement doesn't help. Not one bit. Let me refer you to this post. Mind, AFAIA NickGB is (or was) a foreigner himself.

As to your complaint, in a sense it's the same as with your fine:
It doesn't really matter what you're used to or what you think is right, this is a different country with its own rules.
To be blunt: Those rules are what they are, your opinion of them doesn't matter, they're valid regardless.

Generally speaking police is a Cantonal matter (and communal in some places) so rules may vary but I'm very positiv it's the same in every Canton: Police validly state their authority either by wearing their uniform or, if not in uniform, by identifying themselves with their police badge. The other guy did just that, which put your reaction in the wrong. What followed may well have been a consequence of your inappropriate reaction to his demands, possibly augmented by your attitude.
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Old 31.01.2019, 09:36
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Generally speaking police is a Cantonal matter (and communal in some places) so rules may vary but I'm very positiv it's the same in every Canton: Police validly state their authority either by wearing their uniform or, if not in uniform, by identifying themselves with their police badge. The other guy did just that, which put your reaction in the wrong. What followed may well have been a consequence of your inappropriate reaction to his demands, possibly augmented by your attitude.
The only excuse I can find for this poster is that she was too scared to think properly. I don't get why some people are paralysed when approached by police (ok, maybe this case is a bit more complicated), if you know you didn't do anything you should be able to keep your calm. (mind, I'm saying this from the perspective of someone who was never checked by police so I might have no idea how intimidating it can be) Also, being used with different procedures and expecting them to be applied here is quite wrong. The solution is to inform yourself correctly and avoid any drama in such cases.

I have seen a certain type of people being randomly checked here (during the day not late in the night, mind) quite a few times (two times some guys being asked to get off a train and I could have a full view on how they were checked) and was quite impressed by their calm - guess they were used to it.

But if, in spite of someone's cooperative attitude there's still some rough handling I suppose one can make an official complaint?

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Old 31.01.2019, 13:49
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Is this legal in Switzerland?

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[QUOTE=edzoom;3036134]Is this legal in Switzerland?

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What?

Hi-vis vests?
Motorbikes?
Helmets?

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Old 31.01.2019, 13:59
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Is what legal, posting enormous photos?

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Old 31.01.2019, 14:35
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Is this legal in Switzerland?
I think the power switch has to more clearly visible and not obstructed in any way by the equipment that uses it. It could be the angle of the photo so if you could take another photo from where the guy in the bike gear is it might be easier to tell.
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No idea what you're talking about but undoubtedly the answer is "yes".
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Old 31.01.2019, 15:28
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The only excuse I can find for this poster is that she was too scared to think properly. I don't get why some people are paralysed when approached by police (ok, maybe this case is a bit more complicated), if you know you didn't do anything you should be able to keep your calm. (mind, I'm saying this from the perspective of someone who was never checked by police so I might have no idea how intimidating it can be) Also, being used with different procedures and expecting them to be applied here is quite wrong. The solution is to inform yourself correctly and avoid any drama in such cases.
I was checked a few times, including once in the USA (the friendliest police I have ever encountered), never seriuosly searched though. Once at a border checkpoint my car was taken a much closer look at than usual, including the engine and the chassis inspected, but nothing was seriously taken apart. All those encounters happened predictably in the sense that I knew there's the possibility (customs) or that I saw them approach and were uniformed, so no surprise element involved.

I can see how a surprise check can stun or shock people and have them react irrationally. But that wouldn't mean the police acted inappropriately, there'd be no reason per se to complain. In my experience, if AngelinaB had explained her position, the situation would have been unlikely to escalate. Instead she'd probably have been invited to call 117 and verify the lawfulness of the situation.

You do not question the authority of the person with the gun, or else. It's your decision if you do anyways but it's also you who bears the consequences if you lose so don't complain, and make sure you win ("gun" is meant allegorically of course). Men learn this lesson during their upbringing, most women as well. But not all. I get the impression that AngelinaB is among the latter.
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I have seen a certain type of people being randomly checked here (during the day not late in the night, mind) quite a few times (two times some guys being asked to get off a train and I could have a full view on how they were checked) and was quite impressed by their calm - guess they were used to it.
It may just as well be the equivalent of streetsmart. They may have resolved to not question the authority of the person with the gun, probably because they don't wield the equivalent of a BFG.

Unless you make it a power game there's no reason for the police to enjoy searching you, so I would assume that they have reason if they do, even if it may be just a hunch. In the (hopefully rare) cases where they don't have a real reason they can always make stuff up, this is why I'm all for bodycams. With the requirement that they must be activated at all times, and with direct negative consequences if they aren't.
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But if, in spite of someone's cooperative attitude there's still some rough handling I suppose one can make an official complaint?
You could raise a Aufsichtsbeschwerde, effectively a complaint lodged with the police's overseeing body (usually called Polizei- und Justizdepartement) against the police abusing their powers. But unless it's a fairly clear case you're unlikely to succeed as the complaint is unlikely to be handled by a truly independent body and people who (occasionally) work together tend to be biased.
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I was checked a few times, including once in the USA (the friendliest police I have ever encountered), never seriously searched though.
I was seriously searched once coming into France from Germany, the guy even apologized for having to search me!

I then asked if he also wanted to search my motorcycle, but he declined.

I was also controlled once in Zurich on a Sunday morning shortly after moving here, they took me to the local cop place (10m from where I was stopped), asked me to empty my pockets and if they could look in my wallet, and then let me go (my German sucked back then, but it seems that I had the wrong type of shoes compared to the person they were looking for).

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Is this legal in Switzerland?

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I don't see why not. It's a motorcyclist's/cyclist's hi-vis vest. It's perfectly legal in Australia and the UK, the two countries where I know it's sold, and in fact the police even encourage their use in the UK as they've been shown to improve drivers' behaviour.

What's your point? Is this another edzoom conspiracy theory?

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Is this legal in Switzerland?
Yes. You can put a sticker of your blood group on the helmet. But it is pretty useless as no one will trust it (did you share the helmet? Is it an used helmet?) and it only covers most important antigens but misses the Anti-K.

Also it is a huge privacy and security risk as you are perfect victim of the very common "Muotathal Fondue Kidney Harvest." Altough named after the Muotathal in canton Schwyz it is actually more prevalent in Basel, the mountain passes of Uri, and Neuchâtel. Also it involves more Kirsch, Trester, and Absinthe than fondue and might affect your liver. Be on the look out and keep a low profile.
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Anecdotes are anecdotes and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Clearly none of the people in the cases you mention above were moved sufficiently to make a complaint (or in the case of the fines, ask for a receipt) so I guess it stays no more than "just one of those things"

Maybe where you come from the police are beyond repute. I think those places are very rare, though.
Police often commit crimes, content in the knowledge that the complaints department are trained in dismissing complaints.
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No police will ever encourage anything that can be interpreted as impersonating a police officer. The point to these vests is to seem like a police officers...

a reflective vest is one thing, a reflective pest with large text to include Pol and other letter when it is clearly designed to be interpreted as police will always cause headaches in continental europe switzerland included.

furthermore in Switzerland it is much more strict when it comes to such things. Using any blue light type device weather its lit or unlit, or using unapproved reflecting tape on your vehicle which might give the impression of police will be investigated and prosecuted.

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I do think see why not. It's a motorcyclist's/cyclist's hi-vis vest. It's perfectly legal in Australia and the UK, the two countries where I know it's sold, and in fact the police even encourage their use in the UK as they've been shown to improve drivers' behaviour.

What's your point? Is this another edzoom conspiracy theory?
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