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Or a Confederate Battle Flag in Mississippi, and one in Switzerland.

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I think you and DB are missing the point - it's not just the costume but the intent behind the people wearing it.
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I think you and DB are missing the point - it's not just the costume but the intent behind the people wearing it.
When it comes to Switzerland or native Swiss some people on here have their rose tinted glasses on...
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So tolerant, these tolerance preachers.

sorry but there is a line to tolerance - and the KKK is way beyond tolerance imho. Perhaps a bit of reading might help, start with 'Mudbound' perhaps. I can't begin to imagine what anyone in the crowd that day at Fassnacht would have felt about the parade- who had a family who had gone through these KKK days- or the impression it gives of Switzerland, when photos of the event are on everyone's TV or computer screen, or in the Press, all over the world, last few days.

Your comments about an official list of acceptable costumes reminded me of a school trip I took to Dieppe. One of the kids, about 13, was a bit 'different' but i always agreed to take the kids other teachers didn't want to take responsibility for (coud write a book re the experiences that led to- some beyond bizarre but generally all good in the end- and it made a difference long term to the kids).
We found out he was throwing banana skins from his window onto cars parked across the road from the Hostel. When we spoke to him about it - he said 'but it doesn't say in the rules about not throwing banana skins across the road' - most kids know, without being told, what is right or wrong- without it being written in a 'list'.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

Whatís the difference between a bully and a racist? Not much.
Reading these posts makes me realize how easy it is for some to avoid the facts and let emotions rule the head.

1. No one here has approved of the Fasnacht costumes
2. The police are involved and, according to our local paper, individuals will probably be charged with one of the racism laws (article 2 or 4). The punishment will probably come in the form of a fine.
3. Speaking to a group of local teenagers, I was surprised to find that many didnít know what the KKK was and found scaring people in general was a lot like Halloween. They also said costumes like pirates could also incite violence due to their historical background. We had a fantastic talk and I attempted to explain the history of the KKK and how wearing such costumes can lead to negative consequences. Itís not only about disrespect towards others but also giving fodder to the media.

We live in an age where one misstep can lead to a media outcry. Yes, those idiots from Brunnen deserve every fine they get but their behavior does not respresent the innerschwyz nor Switzerland. As I told the teenagers, there are racists in every country and whatís most important is how you treat others.
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Old 08.03.2019, 12:52
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3. Speaking to a group of local teenagers, I was surprised to find that many didnít know what the KKK was and found scaring people in general was a lot like Halloween. They also said costumes like pirates could also incite violence due to their historical background. We had a fantastic talk and I attempted to explain the history of the KKK and how wearing such costumes can lead to negative consequences. Itís not only about disrespect towards others but also giving fodder to the media.
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You'd expect that kind of thinking and reasoning from a group of teenagers.

I didn't quite expect to read similar comparisons written by adults on this forum.
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You'd expect that kind of thinking and reasoning from a group of teenagers.

I didn't quite expect to read similar comparisons written by adults on this forum.
Well, pardon us for not getting our panties in a twist at your bidding. Apparently it's no longer enough just to not be racist oneself. No, one must go out of one's way to tell the world how terribly cross one is about the actions of people one has never met.

As if anyone actually cares what a bunch of miffed expats think.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

I am not an expat, thanks.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

Nobody in the thread says that KKK is ok or should be tolerated...jeez. Can folks get off their outraged high horse and actually try to understand the posters?

The good villagers will deal with the recent bad reputation despite the fact that there is no explicit rule for what happened, really. I also think they will deal with it quietly and well. That's why I am a bit glad that the world has heard of this weirdness, they might want to learn from CH -in the way the community will selfregulate. It is not so hypocritical, pretty democratic..the Fasnacht incident is what comes with some idiots feeling free enough, innit. And yes I have witnessed or experienced racism here, enough times.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

I have very fond memories of shooting KKK members with my pea shooter. All the kids would line up and let them have it if they marched. We might have also used our sling shots...
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Well, pardon us for not getting our panties in a twist at your bidding. Apparently it's no longer enough just to not be racist oneself. No, one must go out of one's way to tell the world how terribly cross one is about the actions of people one has never met.
Who exactly are you the spokesman for?


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As if anyone actually cares what a bunch of miffed expats think.
My children are Swiss and and are growing up here. I live here too.

Yes, I am interested in what goes on here. Being an expat is neither here nor there.

Many people on this forum aren't expats either.
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Who exactly are you the spokesman for?




My children are Swiss and and are growing up here. I live here too.

Yes, I am interested in what goes on here. Being an expat is neither here nor there.

Many people on this forum aren't expats either.
Nobody cares, Tom. Nobody.

You're just shouting into the wind and raising your blood pressure for no good reason.

But whatever floats yer boat, eh? I suppose it makes a nice change from whinging about smokers.
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I have very fond memories of shooting KKK members with my pea shooter. All the kids would line up and let them have it if they marched. We might have also used our sling shots...
Well, next year - offer your services there! Don't forget to post pics here, too. We travelled for a carnival too, sent pics of un pc costumes too, but not racist, Eskimos, cave men, vampires, yellow jackets, penguins, etc. to my radio and art yank friends, they were thrilled at the devotion people put in here to create costumes, actually. Professional and a bit scary folk art! I sensed a bit of jealousy, too.

Except the confetti cannons. F*&% those, seriously Evil things with evil staff
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Nobody cares, Tom. Nobody.

You're just shouting into the wind and raising your blood pressure for no good reason.
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You seem to be generating quite a bit of hot air on this thread yourself.

Put me on your ignore list if you don't like what I write.

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As I wrote, put me on your ignore list or just don't read my posts. You can make that choice, can't you?
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

Is it not important that we know what sort of gobsh!tes live in our communities. Let them march.. and then organize another march right up their rear, a more vibrant clown-like take-the-p!ss KKKs singing and clamouring to Mr. Boombastic.

I sometimes think hiding this bigoted, hateful sh!te is far, far worse.. better out and in.

Should see 'em in Northern Ireland, they let all types of haters hang out there.. and it's still lovely part of the world.

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You seem to be generating quite a bit of hot air on this thread yourself.

Put me on your ignore list if you don't like what I write.



As I wrote, put me on your ignore list or just don't read my posts. You can make that choice, can't you?
I choose not to.

Deal with it, you miserable old sod.
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Is it not important that we know what sort of gobsh!tes live in our communities. Let them march.. and then organize another march right up their rear, a more vibrant clown-like take-the-p!ss KKKs singing and clamouring to Mr. Boombastic.

I sometimes think hiding this bigoted, hateful sh!te is far, far worse.. better out and in.

Should see 'em in Northern Ireland, they let all types of haters hang out there.. and it's still lovely part of the world.
Of course that hiding the toxic stuff is far worse. But going after people who are supporting visibility, is equally bad. PC brigades police those voices. I think CH is ahead of...the PC Western world, in this.

Glad there is some reasonable common ground in our community

I am glad the thread happened. We should then organize a "vibrant clown-like take-the-p!ss KKKs singing and clamouring to Mr. Boombastic" event next year. I will be there. Hope you too. I reserve the right, however, to include confetti cannons in my protest song.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

Still it is all hypocrite to me, people get angry in large groups if people dress up like the KKK, but meanwhile I can buy shirts of Che Guevara everywhere and nobody blinks an eye even tho he is a known homophobic racist mass murderer, not to mention how nobody blinks an eye when wearing a shirt of Lenin.

Seems that all is allowed when the subject is left oriented no matter the amount of people they killed and the hatred they showed, but the moment the subject also has right winged ideas the world goes crazy..
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Political correctness is about not insulting, excluding or marginalizing, no? Yes it can be, gasp, taken too far - ymmv- but I don't get why it's being used as a pejorative here. And I don't think CH is ahead of the "PC curve " as it were; I think there are lots of pockets of NIMBY complacency ( just as there is in many other privileged places) coupled with a fairly large lack of historical/ geographical awareness and maybe even some arrogance. My two rappen.
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Seems that all is allowed when the subject is left oriented no matter the amount of people they killed and the hatred they showed, but the moment the subject also has right winged ideas the world goes crazy..
I don't think it's that entirely. It must center around certain trigger topics, misoginy (nobody cares about misandry, mind, better grow a pair) and racism (provided it's not against whites) come to mind.
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I just find it slightly ironic that people from countries with a long history and ongoing problem with active racism (slavery, Jim Crow, starving Irish, Indians and whoever else, driving while black, etc etc ad nauseam) are getting bent out of shape because a handful of shitstirrers in the Swiss equivalent of King's Lynn decided to make a nuisance of themselves for Fasnacht.

We Anglos hardly have the moral high ground here.
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