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And I don't think CH is ahead of the "PC curve " as it were; I think there are lots of pockets of NIMBY complacency ( just as there is in many other privileged places) coupled with a fairly large lack of historical/ geographical awareness and maybe even some arrogance. My two rappen.
Generally speaking arrogance is telling other people what to think. That's close to what you do. Coming from a Brit that's ... rather ironic, to put it mildly.
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Generally speaking arrogance is telling other people what to think. That's close to what you do. Coming from a Brit that's ... rather ironic, to put it mildly.
Nope, I'm explaining what I think. And I think arrogance takes many forms. You might not like what I say but I believe I have the "right" to say it. I find it quite telling that you feel the need to try and personalise this. But obviously that's merely my opinion.
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Generally speaking arrogance is telling other people what to think. That's close to what you do. Coming from a Brit that's ... rather ironic, to put it mildly.
Yes we get it, you hate British people.

We also understand that, in history at school, you didn't learn about the American civil rights movement and the KKK but instead that Winston Churchill was a war criminal and should have been tried at Nuremberg instead of the Nazi leaders who were actually okay as the Nazis gave a nice boost to the Swiss economy.
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Yes we get it, you hate British people.

We also understand that, in history at school, you didn't learn about the American civil rights movement and the KKK but instead that Winston Churchill was a war criminal and should have been tried at Nuremberg instead of the Nazi leaders who were actually okay as the Nazis gave a nice boost to the Swiss economy.
To be fair, Churchill was a war criminal.
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Old 08.03.2019, 16:53
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To be fair, Churchill was a war criminal.
He made difficult and unpopular decisions in a time of war.

Perhaps the U.K. should have just stayed out of it like Switzerland?
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To be fair, Churchill was a war criminal.
The good guys always are.

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He made difficult and unpopular decisions in a time of war.

Perhaps the U.K. should have just stayed out of it like Switzerland?
Perhaps the UK shouldn't have starved the Bengalis and deliberately firebombed German civilians?
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Is there something in the water this week? Everyone's got their dander up all over the forum.

It's two minutes to knocking off time - go out and have a beer FFS.

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He made difficult and unpopular decisions in a time of war.

Perhaps the U.K. should have just stayed out of it like Switzerland?
So it's Ok to commit mass-murders if you're British.

Right.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

So for now, the latest, Google translated:

Twelve people in white robes are deployed at Fasnacht in Schwyz this week with torches and Celtic cross - it is considered by right-wing extremists as a symbol of the superiority of the white race. There is increasing evidence that under the hoods people were stuck with right-wing outlook. Thus the "Blick" shows a photo on which one of the hooded people makes the Hitler salute.


In the Federal Palace, the case is talking. Politicians from left to right strongly condemn the action. "That's absolutely wrong and has nothing to do with Fasnacht. That can not be accepted, "says Lucerne SVP National Council Felix Müri. It would be distasteful, if one draws attention to himself, also GLP President Jürg Grossen. Now you have to see if neo-Nazis are in the habit

The Schaffhausen SP National Councilor Martina Munz is shocked: "It is a great pity that social events such as Carnival are abused for such political messages."

Her colleague Cédric Wermuth says: "If you see that there are actually people close to far-right circles, it scares you. The authorities have been looking the other way too long for the development of right-wing extremism in this country. "

Meanwhile, the Schwyzer cantonal police investigates. In Switzerland, however, right-wing extremist gestures and symbols such as the Hitler salute or the swastika are not prohibited. Ten years ago parliament wanted to change that - but the law banning racist symbols finally crashed. According to lawyer Daniel Kettiger, the Ku Klux Klan group could get away with it unscathed (see box).

For SP National Councilor Munz, the Ku Klux Klan case teaches that there is still a gap in the legislation. It demands that right-wing extremist symbols are finally banned, as is already the case in other countries. "In addition, we must restrict the freedom of assembly of such groups who engage in right-wing extremist agitation." She would turn to the Federal Council for this position to take the case.


GLP leader Grossen also has sympathy for a ban on racist symbols and is open to a renewed discussion. But he sees demarcation problems in the implementation, which symbols would ban and which not. This looks like Felix Müri. He says there are also left-wing symbols that are not right. There is a danger that you end up packing too much. He says a public debate like the one in the Schwyz case is the worst one. "You should give these heads out and show them without hoods."

For Cédric Wermuth, a ban is not in the foreground: "With the prohibition of extremist symbols right-wing extremist opinions will not automatically disappear." It was much more important to look at where, how and why such right-wing groups would emerge, so wormwood.
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So it's Ok to commit mass-murders if you're British.

Right.
Most Brits still subscribe to the "Good War" myth.
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So it's Ok to commit mass-murders if you're British.

Right.


And what did Switzerland do exactly against the Nazi aggressors?

Is it okay to let other countries do the dirty work?

Right?
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And what did Switzerland do exactly against the Nazi aggressors?

Is it okay to let other countries do the dirty work?

Right?
You still bitter over losing the empire, Tom?
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You still bitter over losing the empire, Tom?
That question was to Urs Max, not you.

Also, what costume was he wearing on Fasnacht? Was it white and did mummy sew it for him?
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Nope, I'm explaining what I think. And I think arrogance takes many forms. You might not like what I say but I believe I have the "right" to say it.
Calling other cultures arrogant and "unaware", as they seem to you...isn't exactly ahead of the PC-curve. It is a tad insulting, excluding and marginalizing. My 2 centimes.

Anyways, I think people will shrug off those racist clowns pretty fast. The community will think about what happened and why, but I can see the Swiss community being already ahead in the non-outrage attitude. And I do not think it is because they'd ignore the issue or because they'd be unaware.
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Calling other cultures arrogant and "unaware", as they seem to you...isn't exactly ahead of the PC-curve. It is a tad insulting, excluding and marginalizing. My 2 centimes.

Anyways, I think people will shrug off those racist clowns pretty fast. The community will think about what happened and why, but I can see the Swiss community being already ahead in the non-outrage attitude. And I do not think it is because they'd ignore the issue or because they'd be unaware.
I don't get the bit "calling other cultures arrogant and "unaware."" Where was that stated?
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And what did Switzerland do exactly against the Nazi aggressors?

Is it okay to let other countries do the dirty work?

Right?
Please start another thread if you want to discuss Switzerland’s role in WW2. This thread focuses on racism under the guise of fun at Fasnacht.
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I don't think it's that entirely. It must center around certain trigger topics, misoginy (nobody cares about misandry, mind, better grow a pair) and racism (provided it's not against whites) come to mind.
That can't be it.

Saying that Gay men should be locked up to starve to death or that African people are inferior would ruin somebody's political and social career. However wearing a shirt of somebody who just did that is perfectly o.k. as long as you wear it from somebody who is on the left spectrum of politics.
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I just find it slightly ironic that people from countries with a long history and ongoing problem with active racism (slavery, Jim Crow, starving Irish, Indians and whoever else, driving while black, etc etc ad nauseam) are getting bent out of shape because a handful of shitstirrers in the Swiss equivalent of King's Lynn decided to make a nuisance of themselves for Fasnacht.

We Anglos hardly have the moral high ground here.
Because it's called progress
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That question was to Urs Max, not you.

Also, what costume was he wearing on Fasnacht? Was it white and did mummy sew it for him?
Your typical posting behaviour, after 4-5 posts you resort to insults. Goodbye.
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