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Re: Klu Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

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Which law?

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Art 261:

"any person who publicly disseminates ideologies that have as their object the systematic denigration or defamation of the members of a race, ethnic group or religion,"

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a261

Surely this law will be brought forward if this group will be prosecuted.
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BTW: Postcard from Schwyz from 1927 when nobody seemed to care.

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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

perhpas they didn't quite understand then- perhaps not

1927 to 1933 - hmm yes, see what happened next
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

Our local newspaper printed that postcard with an article about racism. As stated in the article, "we've come a long ways since then."
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Our local newspaper printed that postcard with an article about racism. As stated in the article, "we've come a long ways since then."
I didn't think Swiss newspapers did irony.
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I didn't think Swiss newspapers did irony.
I shouldn’t think any news-outlets would find irony a particularly effective path of journalism
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perhpas they didn't quite understand then- perhaps not

1927 to 1933 - hmm yes, see what happened next
So, am interested - what happened next?
Found this:

https://www.nzz.ch/ku-klux-klan_in_der_schweiz-1.771729
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perhpas they didn't quite understand then- perhaps not

1927 to 1933 - hmm yes, see what happened next
Tell us, what exactly happened next.
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Tell us, what exactly happened next.
In a completely different country, a completely different political ideology with a completely different motivation and completely different history attained power.

But NAZIS! Fasnacht = NAZIS! Don't you get it, man? It's all about the NAZIS!!!1!11!!!

... even when it isn't.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

Oh my, didn't think I'd have to explain - the rise of fascism in so many guises in Europe- and people kept quiet ...
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I didn't think Swiss newspapers did irony.
It’s called critical thinking.
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So now we know: when people dress as the KKK in Schwyz, we end up with Nazis in Germany.

The history speaks for itself. We have been warned!
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Oh my, didn't think I'd have to explain - the rise of fascism in so many guises in Europe- and people kept quiet ...
Well, opening your mouth was rather dangerous. And no people did not all keep quit however people also had kids to raise among other things that did no go well with speaking out against the right winged factions in those days.

And yes a lot of people did also agree with them since it was the right winged factions that actually would create jobs for example, not something to be expected from the communist factions to which the middle had no answers but it was known from other countries what was to be expected from that side of the political spectrum.

Hitler did not come to power since everybody agreed with all he said, Hitler came to power due to a propaganda machine which was unknown till that time, and he also provided solutions for real existing problems in the Germany of that time. And besides all of that, he had an personal appeal which was huge and can easily be compared to huge rockstars of these modern days, people did see a strong man who understood them, he knew their problems and above all who came up with solutions to their problems. By the time his true intentions come to be known widely it simply was to late to open up your mouth.

Judging when looking back is so easy if you don't look at the full picture.
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Oh my, didn't think I'd have to explain - the rise of fascism in so many guises in Europe- and people kept quiet ...
So, maybe this summary will do it instead (my Jewish ancestors (grandparents
etc. )were severely affected by the whole thing btw.). It's not something you talk about.

http://www.historyisnowmagazine.com/...#.XIQTvpNKjGI=
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Well, opening your mouth was rather dangerous. And no people did not all keep quit however people also had kids to raise among other things that did no go well with speaking out against the right winged factions in those days.

And yes a lot of people did also agree with them since it was the right winged factions that actually would create jobs for example, not something to be expected from the communist factions to which the middle had no answers but it was known from other countries what was to be expected from that side of the political spectrum.

Hitler did not come to power since everybody agreed with all he said, Hitler came to power due to a propaganda machine which was unknown till that time, and he also provided solutions for real existing problems in the Germany of that time. And besides all of that, he had an personal appeal which was huge and can easily be compared to huge rockstars of these modern days, people did see a strong man who understood them, he knew their problems and above all who came up with solutions to their problems. By the time his true intentions come to be known widely it simply was to late to open up your mouth.

Judging when looking back is so easy if you don't look at the full picture.
It's also worth remembering that an awful lot of "right-thinking" people in those days thought the Fascists and National Socialists were splendid chaps, with their modern and progressive notions like euthanasia, eugenics, state regulation of industry and so on.

Quite a few of the loud "look at me, I'm not a Nazi" crowd on EF would totally have been Nazis or Nazi sympathisers back in the day.

As you say, hindsight is wonderful.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

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It’s called critical thinking.
And my post was sarcasm.

(Which obviously isn't done here either).
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BTW: Postcard from Schwyz from 1927 when nobody seemed to care.

Nobody cared because people are often ignorant and need to be explained the simplest concepts.

That is why I had to explain to my Indian co-worker in US that having a swastika sticker on your car will lead to property damage or worse.
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

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Quite a few of the loud "look at me, I talk and think like a Nazi" crowd on EF would totally have been Nazis or Nazi sympathisers back in the day.
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Quite a few of the loud "look at me, I talk and think like a Nazi" crowd on EF would totally have been Nazis or Nazi sympathisers back in the day.
And who are they? I haven't seen anyone talking or thinking like a Nazi on this thread. Have you?
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Re: Ku Klux Klan in Kanton Schwyz

An issue I often discussed with my late mother (born 1915) - she spent 1 year (well less she had to return as things were turning really nasty) studying German in Munich in 1933. when she returned, she tried to describe what she had seen and experienced, beatings, shop windows broken, book burnings at the university - but she was mocked ans told she was being 'silly'- and that there was nothing wrong ...She was sent to study for 1 year in England (London then Hastings) - she later thought to keep her quiet and not upset the 'apple cart' and possibly threaten lucrative contracts.

To the end of her days, it troubled her and she wished she had published her experiences and not been quiet. She was an amazing woman.
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