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Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

I was today approached close to Letzipark by a lady who asked if I need a Putzfrau. Then she asked if I can offer her financial help, that she is from Kosovo, has 3 children, without papers, stays with a family nearby and needs to pay them. She had approached also another lady before me.

I was a bit put off as I am from the region and she did not look like from there nor was her accent. Could be a gipsy maybe from Kosovo. Her German was pretty decent as well.

I told her she could give me her contact data and I’d see what I could do. She said I could also buy her something. I again offered to take her contact info. She went away saying she needed help now.

While this seemed a bit weird but maybe she was just scared....

What do you think what are the chances she really did need help? I guess if that is the case she is likely to be around next days as well...
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Old 11.03.2019, 17:31
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I was today approached close to Letzipark by a lady who asked if I need a Putzfrau. Then she asked if I can offer her financial help, that she is from Kosovo, has 3 children, without papers, stays with a family nearby and needs to pay them. She had approached also another lady before me.

I was a bit put off as I am from the region and she did not look like from there nor was her accent. Could be a gipsy maybe from Kosovo. Her German was pretty decent as well.

I told her she could give me her contact data and I’d see what I could do. She said I could also buy her something. I again offered to take her contact info. She went away saying she needed help now.

While this seemed a bit weird but maybe she was just scared....

What do you think what are the chances she really did need help? I guess if that is the case she is likely to be around next days as well...
Donate to a charity that helps refugees/women in trouble....

Next time give the charity contact info to someone who asks.
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Old 11.03.2019, 18:08
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Shes a Roma. Married probably and her husband drives a new Mercedes
You don't know who she was and how her life really is like. Stop pretending that anti-Roma racism isn't really racism....OK?

OP,

Next time give this kind of people a contact to a charity organisation if you really are that concerned. If I want to help I either just do it, or if something seems fishy I quickly move away. My impression is it was just a form of asking people money with a sob story.
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In all probability a Roma
Oh, you corrected it. My comment still stands. I'll report your post.
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Old 11.03.2019, 18:14
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Oh, you corrected it. My comment still stands. I'll report your post.

No racism there . Just stating a fact
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Re: Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

There are gangs of Romans hanging around parks all over. It's disgusting. They wear those awful sandals and make a terrible nuisance of themselves.

If I were you, I'd say "Romanes eunt domus" next time you see them.

I think that's right...
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Old 11.03.2019, 18:26
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Re: Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

She did state that she approached a number of charities but that that is not enough.

I guess it does make sense as some suggested to give directly to a charity as is less risky because the more I think the weirder it was. (though last year's charity scandals are rather worrying)
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There are gangs of Romans hanging around parks all over. It's disgusting. They wear those awful sandals and make a terrible nuisance of themselves.

If I were you, I'd say "Romanes eunt domus" next time you see them.

I think that's right...
She was actually dresses pretty decent.
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I guess it does make sense as some suggested to give directly to a charity as is less risky because the more I think the weirder it was. (though last year's charity scandals are rather worrying)
Which scandals are you referring to? If you donate to Red Cross for instance it's money well "invested". I volunteered for a few meals organised for refugees and other people in need by them. Those money really go somewhere.
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Old 11.03.2019, 18:33
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You don't know who she was and how her life really is like. Stop pretending that anti-Roma racism isn't really racism....OK?
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No racism there . Just stating a fact
A fact? Why, was it you in drag?
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Which scandals are you referring to? If you donate to Red Cross for instance it's money well "invested". I volunteered for a few meals organised for refugees and other people in need by them. Those money really go somewhere.
Probably the ones with the charity bigwigs who believed that "charity" began in their trousers and abused their positions in the most heinous ways.
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Old 11.03.2019, 18:40
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Re: Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

Sadly this type of begging, for that's undoubtedly what it was, is all too common. You must have to ignore them completely. Once you start listening to their sob stories there a rather you might start believing them.
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You mean could be a Roma. Be careful what you say here.
Could be a Roma. Years ago when I was reading about Roma and gypsies I read about different groupations, Roma being just one of them. It seems it became a trend in the meantime to call them all "Roma". Or maybe there is some new research into it, but I am not that knowledgeable about the matter.

I guess some perceive the word "gypsy" offensive, but I do not perceive it as such or mean anything negative when using it.

Anyways, I have no idea what her nationality or ethnicity is. She just did not look like from Kosovo and that was one of trigger points of my doubt into her story (I tend to be too trusting usually).
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Re: Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

Thanks a lot for the answers and taking your time and thinking about the situation.

The reason I thought it might still be genuine is because she insisted on me at least getting some food for her... who knows...
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Could be a Roma. Years ago when I was reading about Roma and gypsies I read about different groupations, Roma being just one of them. It seems it became a trend in the meantime to call them all "Roma". Or maybe there is some new research into it, but I am not that knowledgeable about the matter.

I guess some perceive the word "gypsy" offensive, but I do not perceive it as such or mean anything negative when using it.

Anyways, I have no idea what her nationality or ethnicity is. She just did not look like from Kosovo and that was one of trigger points of my doubt into her story (I tend to be too trusting usually).
Genetic findings appear to confirm that the Romani "came from a single group that left northwestern India about 1,500 years ago
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Re: Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

Tell them that you do not give money to people on the street, you give it to the ‘red cross’ (or whatever). They will soon move on.

Nyon used to have a lot of beggars, but since the police have been targeting the ‘godfathers driving mercedes’ they have moved on.

Still get that woman with the awful singing voice and her dog at Nyon Station though. Apparently she doesn’t have a godfather.
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Tell them that you do not give money to people on the street, you give it to the ‘red cross’ (or whatever). They will soon move on.

Nyon used to have a lot of beggars, but since the police have been targeting the ‘godfathers driving mercedes’ they have moved on.

Still get that woman with the awful singing voice and her dog at Nyon Station though. Apparently she doesn’t have a godfather.
Switzerland is a favorite place for " criminal tourism".
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Sadly this type of begging, for that's undoubtedly what it was, is all too common. You must have to ignore them completely. Once you start listening to their sob stories there a rather you might start believing them.
This ..

Everyday I'm approached at three times at least, often many more times.. I see the same faces, they have a patch where they operate, some do Tram 12 between x-y stop, some do the train station, same outside Manor.. etc
You know, they each have a place of work and it's exactly that, it's their job. Each had their mode of operation, a sob story here, an accordion there, a dirty looking child in tow or simply holding out a paper cup. Others are the druggy type who can hardly speak, others are the new age grungy travel type..

The "possible roma" gather in a big group around 6am at GE station station, socialise over coffee etc. Then split up and I see them again through the day.

Some work for themselves and others are hand in their takings to their boss.

I simply say no - before they even speak, they probably know me now too.. Other people hate them.. But hey they seem to be tolerated and I guess unless you are taken in by the story and hand them all your money, they don't seem to be hurting anybody.
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Old 11.03.2019, 21:37
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Re: Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

I thought that begging in Canton Vaud was now illegal? Obviously pestering people does not count.

I sat outside Yverdon Station a couple of months and was pestered for money 3 times.
I then went and sat in the waiting room on the platform and a lady started asking people for money. I was amazed that several people gave her cash - she ended up with about 40 chfs
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Re: Approached by a lady for help, could it have been genuine

Definitely not so common here in Zurich, on the other hand the one described by smackerjack is the standard situation of Italian train stations, supermarkets, parking lots and many other public locations.

Most of the times it's not people really in need, rather people performing their daily "job". As someone already pointed out, it's usually way more organized than it looks.

I never, never, NEVER give away any money - but I do offer help. Sometimes the story is something like "my girlfriend is at the hospital in a town nearby and I need some cash to buy the train ticket", then I reply "I'll buy you the whole ticket, no problem" and they refuse.

Only once I met a guy that was really in need for a train ticket. No special story, just the need to go to a certain place and having no cash. I bought it for him, taking care of validating it so it could not be returned for a cash refund, but he really cared about the ticket and thanked me.

Remember: if you care about them, always offer help but never in form of cash.
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